Posted by: ZylonBane
« on: 09. June 2024, 15:08:39 »Sarge has previously admitted to being a quicksave addict. It probably makes him feel better about his addiction to believe that everyone is the same way.
Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 09. June 2024, 08:06:48 »nope, I can confirm a quickasave is a very hazy concept as far as an average modern player is concerned. and this is not limited to SS2 - some old(er) games (FO4) have mods that take care of this so the player doesn't have to.
it's expected the game will take care of this itself nowadays.
it's expected the game will take care of this itself nowadays.
Posted by: ZylonBane
« on: 09. June 2024, 03:54:18 »Oh deary me, you actually believe this, don't you.You do realise the average player mashes the quicksave key every 5 seconds, right?
Posted by: sarge945
« on: 09. June 2024, 02:35:11 »Reloading on the other hand resets your inventory, stats, and progress to whatever it was the last time you remembered to save or entered the current deck, requiring you to redo everything you'd done between then and dying. And it breaks immersion.
You do realise the average player mashes the quicksave key every 5 seconds, right?
Saving 10 nanites for 5 seconds of progress is a bargain.
Posted by: ZylonBane
« on: 04. June 2024, 13:36:01 »In exchange for a piddly 10 nanites, QBRs will transform you from "dead" to "not dead", remove any status effects, give you back a third of your max HP, and retain all inventory, stats, and progress that you had at the moment of death, automatically.
Reloading on the other hand resets your inventory, stats, and progress to whatever it was the last time you remembered to save or entered the current deck, requiring you to redo everything you'd done between then and dying. And it breaks immersion.
"Just plain better", LOL.
Reloading on the other hand resets your inventory, stats, and progress to whatever it was the last time you remembered to save or entered the current deck, requiring you to redo everything you'd done between then and dying. And it breaks immersion.
"Just plain better", LOL.
Posted by: sarge945
« on: 04. June 2024, 02:45:34 »I know you're making fun of how I complain about save-scumming, but the problem here isn't even that people abuse quicksaves (although they do). Saving in general is just plain better than using a QBR, so even someone who is saving fairly conservatively will still have no reason to ever use a QBR for any reason, except for the rare occasion where they haven't saved in a while.
Posted by: ZylonBane
« on: 03. June 2024, 15:13:32 »Yes yes, some gamers are so terminally lacking in executive function that they can't stop themselves from save-scumming. Probably can't stop themselves from entering keypad codes they haven't found yet either.
Posted by: sarge945
« on: 03. June 2024, 12:16:18 »Making death more punishing is completely pointless while quicksaves/quickloads exist.
If there was a realistic way to limit it to autosaves only, I would love to create a mod based around QBR use, especially an extremely interesting resource-based respawn system with checkpoints for saving.
But with free saving anywhere and loading the game being cheaper and easier than using a QBR, it's a total waste of time.
If there was a realistic way to limit it to autosaves only, I would love to create a mod based around QBR use, especially an extremely interesting resource-based respawn system with checkpoints for saving.
But with free saving anywhere and loading the game being cheaper and easier than using a QBR, it's a total waste of time.
Posted by: Join2
« on: 03. June 2024, 08:38:21 »Very true. Someone mod in a new resource specifically for resurrections on top of the nanite cost.
Posted by: sarge945
« on: 02. June 2024, 07:29:35 »"If they can always resurrect at any previous QBR it makes things a bit less interesting."
It's not always though. 0 nanites = game over. I will be using the super duper version of your mod for sure.
Lets be honest though, you have to play insanely badly to actually run out of nanites. In a typical playthrough they are so plentiful you should end the game with hundreds if not thousands of them, even with low CYB.
Posted by: Join2
« on: 01. June 2024, 19:26:49 »"If they can always resurrect at any previous QBR it makes things a bit less interesting."
It's not always though. 0 nanites = game over. I will be using the super duper version of your mod for sure.
It's not always though. 0 nanites = game over. I will be using the super duper version of your mod for sure.
Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 24. May 2024, 16:21:05 »yes, but there will be less of it. not a bad thing.
Posted by: ZylonBane
« on: 24. May 2024, 16:17:07 »Well there's still going to be saving and loading if you're running this in single-deck mode and die before activating the QBR on a deck.
That rollercoaster of tension when entering new territory is great game design. Players have to seek out the QBR to make each deck "safe". If they can always resurrect at any previous QBR it makes things a bit less interesting.
That rollercoaster of tension when entering new territory is great game design. Players have to seek out the QBR to make each deck "safe". If they can always resurrect at any previous QBR it makes things a bit less interesting.
Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 24. May 2024, 16:13:36 »yes, but this still will improve the experience for people who are doing a no save run (so if I die, QBR only, unless there is no QBR).
saves break immersion, so the less saving/loading, the better.
saves break immersion, so the less saving/loading, the better.
Posted by: ZylonBane
« on: 24. May 2024, 16:10:42 »Hmm, currently I have every Rickenbacker map tagged as the same deck. So running in single-deck mode, if you died on the bridge you'd come back to life in the depths of rick1. Possibly justifiable since the Rickenbacker is a smaller, more compact vessel than the Von Braun, but I imagine most players would rather just resume from the autosave than trudge all the way back to where they were.
Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 24. May 2024, 16:07:52 »usually not the greatest fan of QBRs, but this will make it fell less like hey, game levels, improving immersion, so sure, why not.
Posted by: ZylonBane
« on: 24. May 2024, 08:08:51 »When I heard that in the System Shock remake the restoration bays work across decks, my first thought was, figures, more screwing around with Looking Glass's design decisions.
My second thought was... can SS2 do that?
It can!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ISbnWzcce0
This mod will, when the player dies in a map without an active QBR, resurrect the player at the closest activated QBR in any other map (unless the player dies in the BotM or SHODAN levels). Optionally, the resurrecting can be constrained to the current deck only, so you still have the tension of having to find the QBR when entering a new deck. A case could be made that this actually brings the game closer to Irrational's original intent, since many of the decks started as single large maps that had to be split up later for technical reasons.
EDIT: Testing complete, posted to the mods forum.
My second thought was... can SS2 do that?
It can!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ISbnWzcce0
This mod will, when the player dies in a map without an active QBR, resurrect the player at the closest activated QBR in any other map (unless the player dies in the BotM or SHODAN levels). Optionally, the resurrecting can be constrained to the current deck only, so you still have the tension of having to find the QBR when entering a new deck. A case could be made that this actually brings the game closer to Irrational's original intent, since many of the decks started as single large maps that had to be split up later for technical reasons.
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/*
Super QBRs 0.9
May 24, 2024
by ZylonBane
Enhances QBRs to work across decks and maps. When you die, if there isn't an active
QBR in the current map, you will be resurrected at the closest active QBR. This will
not function in the endgame maps.
This mod cannot be activated mid-game. Can be deactivated mid-game.
*/
// --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
// Script configuration
const SAME_DECK_ONLY = false; // constrains resurrecting to QBR on current deck
// --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
class zbQBR_Base extends SqRootScript {
function mapName() {
local mapRef = string();
Version.GetMap(mapRef);
local map = mapRef.tostring().tolower();
local s = map.find(".mis");
return map.slice(0, s);
}
}
// --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
class zbQBR_ResBtn extends zbQBR_Base {
function OnFrobWorldEnd() {
if (!IsDataSet("Done")) {
Quest.Set("qbr_" + mapName(), 1, eQuestDataType.kQuestDataCampaign);
Property.SetSimple(ObjID("Respawn Marker"), "StartLoc", 8675309);
SetData("Done", true);
};
}
}
// --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
class zbQBR_Player extends zbQBR_Base {
function OnBeginScript() {
if (GetProperty("DestLevel") == mapName()) {
// clear temp data
Property.Remove(self, "DestLevel");
Property.Remove(self, "DestLoc");
// resurrect player
ShockGame.PlayerMode(0);
Damage.Resurrect(self, 0);
ShockGame.StartFadeIn(2000, 0, 0, 0);
Sound.PlaySchemaAmbient(self, "revive");
ShockGame.ShutoffPsi();
ShockGame.OverlayChange(kOverlayRadar, 0);
SetProperty("RadLevel", 0);
SetProperty("RadAmb",0);
ShockGame.OverlayChange(kOverlayRadiation, 0);
SetProperty("Toxin", 0);
ShockGame.OverlayChange(kOverlayPoison, 0);
SetProperty("Hitpoints", GetProperty("MAX_HP") / 3);
}
}
function OnSlain() {
// abort if can respawn on this deck, multiplayer, past point of no return, or immortal
if (Quest.Get("AllowRespawn") || Quest.Get("Difficulty") == 5 || Quest.Get("Note_7_7") == 2 || !ShockGame.AllowDeath()) {
return;
}
local mapList = [
["eng1", 1],
["eng2", 1],
["medsci1", 2],
["medsci2", 2],
["hydro1", 3],
["hydro2", 3],
["hydro3", 3],
["hydro4", 3],
["ops1", 4],
["ops2", 4],
["ops3", 4],
["ops4", 4],
["rec1", 5],
["rec2", 5],
["rec3", 5],
["command1", 6],
["command2", 6],
["rick1", 7],
["rick2", 7],
["rick3", 7]
];
local map, curDeck, qbrDist, qbrMap, spawnOk;
local qbrDistBest = 999;
local curMap = mapName();
// find current deck
foreach (map in mapList) {
if (map[0] == curMap) {
curDeck = map[1];
break;
}
}
if (!curDeck) {
return;
}
// scan for closest activated QBRs
foreach (map in mapList) {
if (Quest.Exists("qbr_" + map[0])) {
qbrDist = abs(curDeck - map[1]);
if (SAME_DECK_ONLY) {
if (qbrDist == 0) {
qbrMap = map[0];
break;
}
}
else if (qbrDist < qbrDistBest) {
qbrDistBest = qbrDist;
qbrMap = map[0];
}
}
}
// active QBR found
if (qbrMap) {
if (Quest.Get("Difficulty") == 1) {
spawnOk = true;
}
else {
if (ShockGame.PayNanites(10) == S_OK) {
spawnOk = true;
ShockGame.AddTranslatableText("ResurrectUsed", "misc", self);
}
else {
spawnOk = false;
ShockGame.AddTranslatableText("ResurrectNeedNanites", "misc", self);
}
}
if (spawnOk) {
SetProperty("DestLevel", qbrMap);
SetProperty("DestLoc", 8675309);
SetOneShotTimer("QBRLeap", 4.9);
}
}
}
function OnTimer() {
if (message().name == "QBRLeap") {
ShockGame.LevelTransport(GetProperty("DestLevel"), GetProperty("DestLoc"), 0);
}
}
}EDIT: Testing complete, posted to the mods forum.
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