Posted by: icemann
« on: 15. June 2024, 04:35:46 »Oooo nice
Posted by: JDoran
« on: 14. June 2024, 17:57:11 »The next part of the amazing Doom total Conversion, Ashes 2063, has been released:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFf65H8q1lg
Download the complete package, which includes Episodes 1 and 2, and the expansions Hard Reset, and Dead Man Walking, from:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/ashes-2063/downloads
if you just want to play the game, then download the 'Stand Alone' version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFf65H8q1lg
Download the complete package, which includes Episodes 1 and 2, and the expansions Hard Reset, and Dead Man Walking, from:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/ashes-2063/downloads
if you just want to play the game, then download the 'Stand Alone' version.
Posted by: Join2
« on: 09. June 2024, 03:18:14 »For modern indie FPS I would strongly recommend Overload, Ashes: Afterglow, Everspace and Immortal Redneck. Two are 6dof shooters and two are roguelites so certainly not really the same flavor as build engine games. Well, except Ashes. It's a Doom engine game that feels like a build engine game, and really fine work for 0 budget effort.
No idea about Selaco. Will try it one day. Also looks technologically-advanced for a doom engine game but perhaps more in a way I don't like. More like those FPS games made in the 2000s. But no valid opinion until I try it.
No idea about Selaco. Will try it one day. Also looks technologically-advanced for a doom engine game but perhaps more in a way I don't like. More like those FPS games made in the 2000s. But no valid opinion until I try it.
Posted by: sarge945
« on: 06. June 2024, 22:59:25 »Selaco is fine. It has some problems but the developers know about them so hopefully they will be fixed.
The main issue currently is that the palyers Slide ability has a cooldown that is a little too long.
I wouldn't say Selaco has a kitchen-sink design philosophy. Probably the only truly superfluous element of the game is Burger Flipper, but it's such a minor thing that it hardly matters. For the most part the systems play into each other.
Really enjoying it so far.
The main issue currently is that the palyers Slide ability has a cooldown that is a little too long.
I wouldn't say Selaco has a kitchen-sink design philosophy. Probably the only truly superfluous element of the game is Burger Flipper, but it's such a minor thing that it hardly matters. For the most part the systems play into each other.
Really enjoying it so far.
Posted by: ZylonBane
« on: 06. June 2024, 17:08:59 »Selaco struck me as like the E.Y.E. Divine Cybermancy of boomer shooters-- a game by a bunch of passionate developers who couldn't say no to ANY concept, so it ended up with this bloated kitchen-sink design that would be more appropriate to a slow-paced FPS like Deus Ex, but just feels distracting in what's presumably supposed to be a rip-and-tear type game.
Posted by: JDoran
« on: 03. June 2024, 13:05:35 »I finally around to playing Selaco yesterday (I've been playing System Shock Remake on the Playstation 4 until now), and so far Selaco seems to be what we were all hoping for. A game designed to be fun, remember those? It's an 'old-school' first person shooter, where 'old-school' means only good things; i.e. it's 'old-school' as in fast but not too fast* good and enjoyable gunplay, you need to use a little brain-power to find your way to the objectives, the graphics are good (not AAA good, but it's an indie game, made with the GZDoom engine), and so far I really enjoyed it, so much so that I hated having to turn it off and go to bed, as I had to get up today for work (I am age 53 now, so now I think everyone should retire at 50).
I only played through the first couple of levels (I spent too much time looking for secrets, as I've heard that each level can have dozens of secrets, and I was hoping to find more powerful weapons hidden away), so it's possible the game could start to go really bad later on, but I really doubt it. This game just 'feels' right.
* I hate modern 'old-school' shooters that deliberately make the game almost too fast to play, so that you need Spider-Man's levels of agility and reflexes to get anywhere in the game. If any FPS from the 'classic' years (maybe 1993 to 2003) was actually that fast, then I don't remember playing it.
I've seen people complain that they didn't realise that this 'full' release would still be in early access (i.e. it's not the finished game). But the game does feel finished, or rather it doesn't feel like it's missing anything gameplay-wise. It's not at all like one of those early-access games where it's more like a proof of concept and the game mechanics don't feel right, or where the game feels short because most of the levels are yet to be added, or where there are obvious bugs that harm the game's playability or even soft-lock the game. I'm not sure what we are waiting on (new levels, weapons, abilities, etc), but to judge from the existing game, any new things the makers choose to add to it will probably be well thought out and well implemented, and will actually improve the game. So who's complaining?
I only played through the first couple of levels (I spent too much time looking for secrets, as I've heard that each level can have dozens of secrets, and I was hoping to find more powerful weapons hidden away), so it's possible the game could start to go really bad later on, but I really doubt it. This game just 'feels' right.
* I hate modern 'old-school' shooters that deliberately make the game almost too fast to play, so that you need Spider-Man's levels of agility and reflexes to get anywhere in the game. If any FPS from the 'classic' years (maybe 1993 to 2003) was actually that fast, then I don't remember playing it.
I've seen people complain that they didn't realise that this 'full' release would still be in early access (i.e. it's not the finished game). But the game does feel finished, or rather it doesn't feel like it's missing anything gameplay-wise. It's not at all like one of those early-access games where it's more like a proof of concept and the game mechanics don't feel right, or where the game feels short because most of the levels are yet to be added, or where there are obvious bugs that harm the game's playability or even soft-lock the game. I'm not sure what we are waiting on (new levels, weapons, abilities, etc), but to judge from the existing game, any new things the makers choose to add to it will probably be well thought out and well implemented, and will actually improve the game. So who's complaining?
Posted by: fox
« on: 18. May 2024, 21:12:07 »I have just started playing Ashes: 2063 & Afterglow. Pretty cool indeed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5_zJoJhbOM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5_zJoJhbOM
Posted by: JDoran
« on: 18. May 2024, 19:52:09 »Ashes 2063 and the expansion pack are really, really good, yes. I would say good enough to sell, but nowadays it's so easy to make a (bad) game that Steam etc are drowning in bad games that cost money to buy. But Ashes 2063 + Afterglow are must plays for old school first person shooter fans.
I don't know about the 'only modern "Build Engine" game worth playing', though. I don't follow any mod scenes at the moment, so I don't know, but surely there have been some mods/Total Conversions released in the past few years. If nothing else I'd suggest Duke Nukem: Alien Armageddon, though I don't know how long ago it first came out, so maybe you're not including it due to it's age or something.
I don't know about the 'only modern "Build Engine" game worth playing', though. I don't follow any mod scenes at the moment, so I don't know, but surely there have been some mods/Total Conversions released in the past few years. If nothing else I'd suggest Duke Nukem: Alien Armageddon, though I don't know how long ago it first came out, so maybe you're not including it due to it's age or something.
Posted by: sarge945
« on: 16. May 2024, 08:18:43 »The only modern "Build Engine" game worth playing is Ashes 2063 (and Afterglow). Technically it's a GZDoom mod, not a build engine game, but it very much looks and plays like a build-engine game and has a lot of the design considerations of build-engine games.
I highly recommend playing both.
https://www.moddb.com/mods/ashes-2063
I highly recommend playing both.
https://www.moddb.com/mods/ashes-2063
Posted by: JDoran
« on: 15. May 2024, 13:22:37 »Regarding other released or soon to be released games:
The sort of sequel to the brilliant Ion Fury, Phantom Fury was released a few weeks ago, and it's really divided the opinions of gamers, some people think it's a huge disappointment. Of the three first person shooter reviewers on Youtube that I watch, Civvie 11 refuses to even review it, because he found it so disappointing, and both GmanLives and Jarek the Gaming Dragon were very underwhelmed. Others find it OK, and some say it's really good, so it's not a total loss for everyone, at least.
Personally, I've only played the first couple of levels, on a mate's PC, and I found it to be uninteresting, and I've not felt the urge to continue with it, Mind you, maybe it does get better later on, and I might still buy it, especially if it's makers decide to improve the game significantly via patches. Or if I just hit another dry spot where no new games on the horizon attract me and I just want to buy something.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1733240/Phantom_Fury/
Of course, if you like Ion Fury, then the official expansion pack, Ion Fury: Aftershock, which well worth playing, it's really enjoyable.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1588720/Ion_Fury_Aftershock/
And the really promising Selaco is released on the 31st May, I'm hoping that one really does live up to our expectations, because it might well be phenominal:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1592280/Selaco/
And, at last, System Shock Remake is released on consoles on May the 21st! Less than a week to go
And not a first person shooter, but a 2D platformer/puzzle game where you have various time control powers, but the remaster of Braid has been released at:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/499180/Braid_Anniversary_Edition/%60
if anyone hasn't already played this classic game already,
The sort of sequel to the brilliant Ion Fury, Phantom Fury was released a few weeks ago, and it's really divided the opinions of gamers, some people think it's a huge disappointment. Of the three first person shooter reviewers on Youtube that I watch, Civvie 11 refuses to even review it, because he found it so disappointing, and both GmanLives and Jarek the Gaming Dragon were very underwhelmed. Others find it OK, and some say it's really good, so it's not a total loss for everyone, at least.
Personally, I've only played the first couple of levels, on a mate's PC, and I found it to be uninteresting, and I've not felt the urge to continue with it, Mind you, maybe it does get better later on, and I might still buy it, especially if it's makers decide to improve the game significantly via patches. Or if I just hit another dry spot where no new games on the horizon attract me and I just want to buy something.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1733240/Phantom_Fury/
Of course, if you like Ion Fury, then the official expansion pack, Ion Fury: Aftershock, which well worth playing, it's really enjoyable.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1588720/Ion_Fury_Aftershock/
And the really promising Selaco is released on the 31st May, I'm hoping that one really does live up to our expectations, because it might well be phenominal:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1592280/Selaco/
And, at last, System Shock Remake is released on consoles on May the 21st! Less than a week to go
And not a first person shooter, but a 2D platformer/puzzle game where you have various time control powers, but the remaster of Braid has been released at:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/499180/Braid_Anniversary_Edition/%60
if anyone hasn't already played this classic game already,
Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 14. May 2024, 18:31:46 »the time is now - only took 2 years. probably 2 more until I get to actually playing it.so, Powerslave Exhumed is out, but I'll definitely wait for a 50% discount
Posted by: Jules
« on: 22. October 2023, 09:24:29 »JDoranThanks for the links. Some of the forum threads you've included contains exactly the kind of stuff I had in mind.
As for Alien Armageddon, yeah, that's a name I've heard mentioned around a lot. I have very little experience with Duke3D mods (so far I've only played the DNF 2013 campaign), so I'll probably start with some smaller vanilla mappacks. It's still something I'm likely to play sometime in the future, however.
As for Alien Armageddon, yeah, that's a name I've heard mentioned around a lot. I have very little experience with Duke3D mods (so far I've only played the DNF 2013 campaign), so I'll probably start with some smaller vanilla mappacks. It's still something I'm likely to play sometime in the future, however.
Posted by: JDoran
« on: 20. October 2023, 20:48:39 »By far the best DN3D mod I have played is Alien Armageddon, which includes three new single player campaigns, plus upgraded/improved versions of the four original DN3D episodes and expansion packs (Duke it out in D.C, and Life's a Bitch), you can now play as either Duke Nukem or two other characters (with their own weapons, upgrades, etc), and you play the game co-op with either a human or an A.I. controlled companion, and the mod adds new weapons, weapon upgrades, perks, interactive NPCs, new options, etc.
Download it from:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/duke-nukem-alien-armageddon/downloads/alien-armageddon-467
and also the patch from:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/duke-nukem-alien-armageddon/downloads/code-updates-read-below
You don't need any files from Duke Nukem 3D or anything, just unarchive the Alien Armageddon 4.67 .7z file to a folder on your hard drive (say C:\Alien Armageddon, or whatever), unarchive the patch file into that, overwriting the files when prompted, then run the included 'eduke32.exe' file.
For other suggestions for DN3D mods and episodes, have a look at:
https://altarofgaming.com/best-duke-nukem-3d-mods/
https://forums.duke4.net/topic/10815-what-unofficial-modsfan-made-projects-can-be-considered-real-standalone-duke-games/page__p__331342
https://www.nitro404.com/mods/duke_nukem_3d.php?view=list&filter=none&group=none&sort=rating
https://forums.duke4.net/topic/10903-what-are-the-best-single-player-dn3d-maps-that-dont-need-eduke32-etc/page__p__333989
https://forums.duke4.net/topic/5555-best-mods-point-me-towards-them/page__p__132486__hl__recommended__fromsearch__1#entry132486
https://msdn.duke4.net/index.php
Download it from:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/duke-nukem-alien-armageddon/downloads/alien-armageddon-467
and also the patch from:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/duke-nukem-alien-armageddon/downloads/code-updates-read-below
You don't need any files from Duke Nukem 3D or anything, just unarchive the Alien Armageddon 4.67 .7z file to a folder on your hard drive (say C:\Alien Armageddon, or whatever), unarchive the patch file into that, overwriting the files when prompted, then run the included 'eduke32.exe' file.
For other suggestions for DN3D mods and episodes, have a look at:
https://altarofgaming.com/best-duke-nukem-3d-mods/
https://forums.duke4.net/topic/10815-what-unofficial-modsfan-made-projects-can-be-considered-real-standalone-duke-games/page__p__331342
https://www.nitro404.com/mods/duke_nukem_3d.php?view=list&filter=none&group=none&sort=rating
https://forums.duke4.net/topic/10903-what-are-the-best-single-player-dn3d-maps-that-dont-need-eduke32-etc/page__p__333989
https://forums.duke4.net/topic/5555-best-mods-point-me-towards-them/page__p__132486__hl__recommended__fromsearch__1#entry132486
https://msdn.duke4.net/index.php
Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 19. October 2023, 19:46:10 »the Raze port does support it, it seems. but yeah, that one is not free if that's what you had in mind. or is it? up to you I suppose.
Posted by: Jules
« on: 19. October 2023, 18:56:36 »voodoo47That's pretty much the kind of episode I had in mind, and I have been looking to play it for a while, but isn't it only available to those who own the 20th Anniversary edition and only playable on that specific version of the game? I don't really have any plans to buy that version of the game right about now as I'm happy enough with running the original game files on eDuke32. Otherwise, I wouldn't mind playing it at all...
Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 19. October 2023, 18:52:25 »didn't they release an additional official episode? yes they did, see Duke Nukem 3D: 20th Anniversary World Tour.
Posted by: Jules
« on: 19. October 2023, 18:40:03 »Seeing as some of you seem to be fans of Build engine games, would you have any recommendations for a polished, mostly vanilla full-episode-length mappack for Duke3D? I'm thinking of something akin to Death Wish for Blood (a must play, BTW) or Arcane Dimensions for Quake - multiple levels, lots of polish and detail (I'm spoiled), but still within the confines of the vanilla game with at most just a very limited selection of additions (no TCs, basically). Single episodes are easy enough to find but for some reason I haven't been able to find any full episodes that tickled my fancy.
Posted by: JDoran
« on: 02. October 2023, 17:21:10 »Aftershock, the expansion pack for the Build-engine derived first person shooter Ion Fury, has now been released! Well, the Steam version has, the GOG version isn't available yet. And I can't find the release date for the console versions (the same situation as with System Shock Remake 
).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c49Zj6E_u98
BTW, Phantom Fury recently had a demo released, see here for details:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1733240/Phantom_Fury/
).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c49Zj6E_u98
BTW, Phantom Fury recently had a demo released, see here for details:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1733240/Phantom_Fury/
Posted by: JDoran
« on: 06. January 2023, 01:47:01 »Now that's a project to watch. I'll wait for the final release, but that's definitely worth a play.
I'm torn between trying this, and waiting, too. To me, the past few years, and the foreseeable future aren'tt exactly brimming with games that appeal to me, so I am tempted to play this, rather than wait a year or two until it's finished.
I'm so glad that I'm a retro gamer.
On the subject of Duke Nukem, it turns out that prototypes for four (4!) different Duke Nukem games were leaked in 2022!
These are:
Duke Nukem Forever (1996) - A 2D sidescroller, which was abandoned in favour of the first person shooter of the same name,
Duke Nukem: Endangered Species - A cancelled PC first person shooter (see https://dukenukem.fandom.com/wiki/Duke_Nukem:_Endangered_Species for details)
Duke Nukem Forever (2001) - The one that fans are rebuilding, as shown in the video Voodoo has linked to, above.
Duke Nukem 3D: Reloaded - The amazing fan-remake that tantalized us all, until (allegedly) Gearbox killed it around eleven years ago.
I can't post links, because of this forum's desire to stay totally legal, but they aren't hard to find.
Unfortunately, the released build of Duke Nukem 3D: Reloaded is very disappointing, at least to me. It has no single player enemies, just some (not too bright) bots to play basic deathmatch against, though you do get to explore some of the single player campaign levels. And sadly, the graphics that looked great in 2011 now look much less impressive, as time and graphics have inevitably moved on.
An interesting point was made by someone on Youtube though. Apparently no company or person (be it Gearbox, 3D Realms, Randy Pitchford, etc) has complained about the leaks, or demanded that fans stay away from these files, which is unusual for leaks of this magnitude. Also, it's speculated that the same person might have leaked all of these files, and perhaps that that person is connected with Gearbox or 3D Realms or whoever, and is leaking these files with the permission of the owners of these files (Gearbox or 3D Realms), possibly (fingers crossed here
) because a new Duke Nukem game is in the works, and releasing these files (which would never be worth anything financially) would bring publicity and attention to the franchise/IP again.I doubt it, but let's hope, eh?
Posted by: Jules
« on: 05. January 2023, 14:32:38 »Snap! I just came here to post about the newly released (released today) Duke Nukem Restoration First Slice 1.0 . This is the first release of a project to convert the released 2001 source code of Duke Nukem Forever to a full and final game...
I've seen this myself, even though I have yet to give it a try. It looks great, though. Who could have said that we might see the day when the community will recreate the DNF that could have been?
Whilst not build engine specifically, a month or so ago saw the release of "The Force Engine". This is a reverse engineered source port for Star Wars: Dark Forces...
I've been following this project myself for some time, it's great stuff. I've played Dark Forces for the first time only a year ago and it's already in my mind one of the most unique FPS of the mid '90s. To have it preserved in a proper source port is fantastic. As you've pointed out, some of the improvements are almost essential - I still remember how painful looking around and aiming was in the original.
I'm even more interested about future Outlaws support though, which is going to happen sometime in 2024. Outlaws is a game I'm more personally interested in, not being much of a SW fan, and I'm holding back from playing the original so as to have a smoother experience on a modern port.
Posted by: ZylonBane
« on: 04. January 2023, 16:17:01 »The item pickup sound in Dark Forces sounds exactly like a higher-pitched version of the item pickup sound in Doom.
Posted by: icemann
« on: 04. January 2023, 15:29:33 »Whilst not build engine specifically, a month or so ago saw the release of "The Force Engine". This is a reverse engineered source port for Star Wars: Dark Forces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JlOmmARG84
It features:
And more. You can grab it here. Having completed a recent play through of the game via the source port, I quite like it. It MAJORLY improves the original, making the need for dosbox a thing of the past, and even just having proper mouse look was good enough, but to have the save system in there too, is just fantastic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JlOmmARG84
It features:
- Full mouse look (not present in the original)
- Support for modern resolutions
- Mid-level saving
And more. You can grab it here. Having completed a recent play through of the game via the source port, I quite like it. It MAJORLY improves the original, making the need for dosbox a thing of the past, and even just having proper mouse look was good enough, but to have the save system in there too, is just fantastic.
Posted by: icemann
« on: 22. December 2022, 16:21:00 »Now that's a project to watch. I'll wait for the final release, but that's definitely worth a play.
Posted by: JDoran
« on: 21. December 2022, 21:09:38 »Snap! I just came here to post about the newly released (released today) Duke Nukem Restoration First Slice 1.0 . This is the first release of a project to convert the released 2001 source code of Duke Nukem Forever to a full and final game.
According to the website, this release includes
+ Chapter 1 of the Story Restored (9 Levels)
+ 1 Secret Level
+ 1 Test Map (Las Vegas Boulevard)
+ Multiplayer (Several maps and skins to choose from)
+ DukeED (Same as the Bikini Atoll releases)
+ All 2001 Build Unedited Maps (listed as their original names in the SOS Menu)
and is now available from:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/dnf2001-restoration-project/downloads/duke-nukem-restoration-first-slice-10
According to the website, this release includes
+ Chapter 1 of the Story Restored (9 Levels)
+ 1 Secret Level
+ 1 Test Map (Las Vegas Boulevard)
+ Multiplayer (Several maps and skins to choose from)
+ DukeED (Same as the Bikini Atoll releases)
+ All 2001 Build Unedited Maps (listed as their original names in the SOS Menu)
and is now available from:
https://www.moddb.com/mods/dnf2001-restoration-project/downloads/duke-nukem-restoration-first-slice-10
Posted by: icemann
« on: 31. October 2022, 17:54:56 »Dayam. Some nice mods there.
Posted by: JDoran
« on: 31. October 2022, 14:08:58 »That does look interesting, thanks. I will definitely give it a go.
I've been meaning to try the Duke Nukem 3D mod Alien Armageddon (https://www.moddb.com/mods/duke-nukem-alien-armageddon) for a while now. By all accounts it's amazing, having not just new weapons and new levels, but also different playable characters, RPG elements, and even the standard four Duke Nukem 3D episodes with improvements and rescue-able characters.
Unfortunately, due to my ever diminishing free time, I've pretty much had to stop following the game modding scene. There must be some truly amazing mods now for games that I love, that I will never get to play
I've been meaning to try the Duke Nukem 3D mod Alien Armageddon (https://www.moddb.com/mods/duke-nukem-alien-armageddon) for a while now. By all accounts it's amazing, having not just new weapons and new levels, but also different playable characters, RPG elements, and even the standard four Duke Nukem 3D episodes with improvements and rescue-able characters.
Unfortunately, due to my ever diminishing free time, I've pretty much had to stop following the game modding scene. There must be some truly amazing mods now for games that I love, that I will never get to play
Posted by: Jules
« on: 30. October 2022, 14:14:35 »Anyone ever given this a try? https://www.moddb.com/games/the-amc-tc
It's a free eDuke32 total conversion that's apparently been in the works for over six years, developed by a team of long-time mappers. Four episodes have been completed so far, so length-wise it seems to be on par with the original Duke3D campaign. It also seems to keep being steadily updated. Kinda tempted to give it a go.
It's a free eDuke32 total conversion that's apparently been in the works for over six years, developed by a team of long-time mappers. Four episodes have been completed so far, so length-wise it seems to be on par with the original Duke3D campaign. It also seems to keep being steadily updated. Kinda tempted to give it a go.
Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 25. September 2022, 08:22:03 »the fire extinguisher is still not voxelified, this is unusable.
but seriously, this isn't looking bad, wonder whether it will work with the open source ports.
but seriously, this isn't looking bad, wonder whether it will work with the open source ports.
Posted by: Olfred
« on: 25. September 2022, 03:17:13 »There's also voxel Doom that came out this year, from the same guy.
Posted by: ZylonBane
« on: 25. September 2022, 02:24:30 »I just discovered that a year ago someone released a mod for Blood that converts all the enemies into voxels.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9xMYbuZuPw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9xMYbuZuPw
Posted by: icemann
« on: 14. May 2022, 08:33:45 »Hmm could be wrong. Could have been Kotaku. I just remember reading an extensive article about the games development quite a while ago.
Though according to a search on that first link Duke's been covered in numerous issues of the magazine.
Though according to a search on that first link Duke's been covered in numerous issues of the magazine.
Posted by: JDoran
« on: 13. May 2022, 12:58:02 »Retro Gamer Magazine had an extensive article on the games development, with interviews with devs, screenshots taken from the various versions etc. Tracking that article down be the tricky bit.
Are you sure it was in Retro Gamer? It's not listed in either of the online indexes that I know of:
https://amigareviews.leveluphost.com/retrogam.htm
http://www.parkproductions.co.uk/area/magazine/retrogamer.htm
Posted by: icemann
« on: 13. May 2022, 00:54:00 »Retro Gamer Magazine had an extensive article on the games development, with interviews with devs, screenshots taken from the various versions etc. Tracking that article down be the tricky bit.
Posted by: JDoran
« on: 12. May 2022, 20:08:29 »Yes, and from what I've read, every time George saw something new (or at least new to him) in a first person shooter that he had tried, he insisted that it be put in to DNF, thereby not only adding to the list of things to be contained in DNF, but also taking people away from their current tasks and forcing them to become involved in planning/programming/testing/whatever the new feature. There was never, if what I've read is true, even a remotely finalized list of what the finished game should be, at least not when George was involved in it. He was constantly changing what the end product should be.
So again I have to ask, why is the finished game (the one released in 2011) so generic and utterly lacking in great, even if second-hand, features or spectacle? Even if the 2011 game (the one that commercially released) had been released in 2001 (but still been the 2011 game), then it wouldn't exactly have been original or innovative.
So again I have to ask, why is the finished game (the one released in 2011) so generic and utterly lacking in great, even if second-hand, features or spectacle? Even if the 2011 game (the one that commercially released) had been released in 2001 (but still been the 2011 game), then it wouldn't exactly have been original or innovative.
Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 12. May 2022, 18:01:30 »iirc, the short story is that at one point they've decided to switch from Quake2 engine to Unreal (the game was nowhere near complete at that stage), and then in 2002 decided to switch to Unreal2 (game 80% finished, that's the leaked build), and that has messed up everything and all went to hell from that point on.
Posted by: JDoran
« on: 12. May 2022, 17:49:42 »The development story of Duke Nukem Forever has been broadly told, but I would be fascinated to read a more detailed account. I would especially like to know if it's true (as seems to be reputedly the case) that it was solely George Broussard's bad decisions that caused the total restarts and the constant feature creep. Why didn't any of 3D Realms higher ups (or equals, I don't know the hierarchy of the company) say something like "You'd been making this game for five years now, enough is enough, we're giving you twelve months from today, we want it finished and ready for the discs to be pressed, one year from now"? Why did the company go silent, as regards trailer videos and
screenshots, after a few years, when originally they were happy to show the world what they were working on?
And how is that the finished game contains nothing innovative at all? It was so bland and unimaginative, so where were all the ideas and innovations that had supposedly caused the game to be delayed whilst these great new ideas were added and tested?
screenshots, after a few years, when originally they were happy to show the world what they were working on?
And how is that the finished game contains nothing innovative at all? It was so bland and unimaginative, so where were all the ideas and innovations that had supposedly caused the game to be delayed whilst these great new ideas were added and tested?
Posted by: icemann
« on: 12. May 2022, 09:10:02 »I say that as if we'd got both games, I fail to see the harm. Why ditch all that content to just start completely from scratch when you could just release that, make some cash and then go make your other game. Silly devs.
Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 11. May 2022, 09:04:57 »watched a few quick youtube videos, funnily enough, it looks more playable/finished than Blood2. I think they should have done what Monolith did - wrap up what they had, and release. would it have been a perfect game? no, but it would be good enough, most likely.
Posted by: icemann
« on: 11. May 2022, 08:43:09 »Same here. I'll wait for the "finished version.
Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 10. May 2022, 10:39:53 »good. I'll probably hold off and see whether the modders plan to clean it up - waited for some quarter of a century for this, what's a couple of more months.
Posted by: JDoran
« on: 10. May 2022, 10:25:11 »The Duke Nukem Forever 2001 build in question has now been leaked, genuinely! I don't think I can post links here as this subject might be a little too contentious, given that both Gearbox (who own the Duke Nukem IP) and 3D Realms still exist, but Google should help you find them. And they will probably be on the Internet Archive too.
Or PM me for the links.
And read the (short) incstructions at:
https://forums.duke4.net/topic/12013-leaked-duke-nukem-forever-2001/
as apparently you need to download and install a small file, to get the game working propely.
There are two leaked files, the game's archive being 847 MB in size, and the press kit being 47 MB (plus you should download the 3 MB file from the forums.duke4.net link given above). Though the 'press kit' is just fifteen screenshots, so it's probably not worth downloading unless you are an utter Duke Nukem fanatic who has to have everything DN that you can find.
Or PM me for the links.
And read the (short) incstructions at:
https://forums.duke4.net/topic/12013-leaked-duke-nukem-forever-2001/
as apparently you need to download and install a small file, to get the game working propely.
There are two leaked files, the game's archive being 847 MB in size, and the press kit being 47 MB (plus you should download the 3 MB file from the forums.duke4.net link given above). Though the 'press kit' is just fifteen screenshots, so it's probably not worth downloading unless you are an utter Duke Nukem fanatic who has to have everything DN that you can find.
Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 10. May 2022, 08:56:41 »not quite, as we never got a game based on those older builds - RE2 still is quite close to RE1.5, there are changes, but you definitely can see the games are closely related. DNF2011 is nothing like those old 1998/2001/2002 builds, iirc.
Posted by: icemann
« on: 10. May 2022, 07:23:07 »iirc, a 80% finished 2001 build is in the hands of one of the developers (Randy Pitchfork), but he said he will not release it.
so if this is getting leaked, then that's great, very sure the community will be able to finish it up, and give the world the DNF it deserves.
Sounds like the Resident Evil 1.5 stuff, with original versions of games before the overhauls.
Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 09. May 2022, 16:24:04 »if you are letting something to rot away, then maybe it's better off in someone else's hands.
Posted by: ZylonBane
« on: 09. May 2022, 16:19:31 »On the one hand, Randy is a money-grubber for refusing to release anything that he can't monetize.
On the other hand, Gearbox has managed to stay in business for over 20 years, so maybe that's what it takes to keep a mid-tier game studio running.
On the other hand, Gearbox has managed to stay in business for over 20 years, so maybe that's what it takes to keep a mid-tier game studio running.
Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 09. May 2022, 14:08:40 »iirc, a 80% finished 2001 build is in the hands of one of the developers (Randy Pitchfork), but he said he will not release it.
so if this is getting leaked, then that's great, very sure the community will be able to finish it up, and give the world the DNF it deserves.
so if this is getting leaked, then that's great, very sure the community will be able to finish it up, and give the world the DNF it deserves.
Posted by: JDoran
« on: 09. May 2022, 13:27:11 »Someone is claiming to have a playable build of the 2001 version of Duke Nukem Forever, and will (he or she says) be releasing it for download in June.
https://duke4.net/duke-nukem-forever-2001-content-4chan-leak/
According to that person:
"Almost every chapter is present in some form. A huge chunk is playable, a huge chunk is block-outs with no enemies. All of the E3 content is there.
Not just the editor, we will be releasing the full source code too.
All weapons are functional with the exception of the chainsaw and the freezer.
Do you have any date on when you are gonna leak it then? June.
The editor works. We also have the engine and UnrealScript source code and have written instructions for compiling it.
Two builds, but only the content for one.
It is Unreal Engine 1, like the final game.
There is no complete game. It was never finished.
The E3 2001 iteration but not the E3 2001 build.
The shrink ray is in the game, it’s the first weapon in slot 4.
The theme is just the Megadeth version. It starts playing as soon as you boot the game.
Bombshell is not visually present in the game at this point, there is a log file showing that her model was deleted.
The strippers can be seen and interacted with when you first enter the club. By the point in the game that was recorded, most of them are dead."
So, if this does exist, and if it is as the person describes, and if he/she doesn't get dissuaded by the inevitable legal cease and desist letters, and if a collector doesn't step in and buy this build and then not release it to the public, then maybe, just maybe, we will get to play it.
We can hope.
https://duke4.net/duke-nukem-forever-2001-content-4chan-leak/
According to that person:
"Almost every chapter is present in some form. A huge chunk is playable, a huge chunk is block-outs with no enemies. All of the E3 content is there.
Not just the editor, we will be releasing the full source code too.
All weapons are functional with the exception of the chainsaw and the freezer.
Do you have any date on when you are gonna leak it then? June.
The editor works. We also have the engine and UnrealScript source code and have written instructions for compiling it.
Two builds, but only the content for one.
It is Unreal Engine 1, like the final game.
There is no complete game. It was never finished.
The E3 2001 iteration but not the E3 2001 build.
The shrink ray is in the game, it’s the first weapon in slot 4.
The theme is just the Megadeth version. It starts playing as soon as you boot the game.
Bombshell is not visually present in the game at this point, there is a log file showing that her model was deleted.
The strippers can be seen and interacted with when you first enter the club. By the point in the game that was recorded, most of them are dead."
So, if this does exist, and if it is as the person describes, and if he/she doesn't get dissuaded by the inevitable legal cease and desist letters, and if a collector doesn't step in and buy this build and then not release it to the public, then maybe, just maybe, we will get to play it.
We can hope.
Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 16. February 2022, 11:41:17 »don't care much for the Wolf3D clone, but Chasm, yeah, sign me up.
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