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Posted by: vurt
« on: 26. October 2024, 18:45:36 »

no one is into it because there's generic garbage, we have it for any medium. We are into it because of the few ones that stands out. nothing really changes if we have millions upon millions of garbage AI games, it's not like i'm going to play them, just like i'm not playing the millions of mobile games that comes out.

lots of SS clones? no there isn't. i've seen a rare few, and yes of course it's indies.
Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 26. October 2024, 18:11:56 »

so business as usual.
Posted by: ZylonBane
« on: 26. October 2024, 18:09:34 »

Quote by vurt:
i mean.. there's not even any real effort for doing clones of System Shock 1-2, even though it's such a well known and loved franchise.
There are lots of them, but they're mostly indie games.

In a few years i bet we can do our own dream games by just using AI. In fact i have almost zero doubt we'll get there. I am all for it
Enjoy your endless stream of generic, bland, statistically-modeled pablum.
Posted by: vurt
« on: 26. October 2024, 17:56:43 »

We will get there gradually, and we are already kind of there in terms of having the tools for it - image, audio, text, coding - we have it all. I saw that someone has already trained an AI to create Counter Strike, with none of its original coding, it's just machine learned by looking at it. 

If it was an instant thing thing yes, the whole industry would be against it and would try to pass laws. We see that with audio AI now especially, and also image AI. But for image AI i think it's getting normalized, but it'll take a few years still, just like it did for sampling or for synths, people were extremely angry about that tech.
 
It's not really something that can be stopped at this point, US will likely influence other countries if they pass some laws, and countries like China would be all for it, they'd have such a tremendous advantage. It goes for all AI, it's too good and useful to just let some countries use it.

uh, i realize  i should've started a topic for this perhaps, sorry for OT.
Posted by: fox
« on: 26. October 2024, 17:38:46 »

Quote by vurt:
how do you mean?

In regards to doing "our own dream games by just using AI", I see the potential but I don't think that the content industry will give up their basis of existence without a long and very hard fight. I also don't think that the industry will just freely give away AI-tools that could be used to do so. They too will do their best to not undermine their basis of existence for as long as possible.
Posted by: sarge945
« on: 26. October 2024, 17:23:56 »

Almost time I see a beloved classic get a remake or a sequel after a long time, it sucks.

Doom is probably the only modern example. And then they killed that with Doom Eternal.
Posted by: vurt
« on: 26. October 2024, 17:14:41 »

how do you mean?
Posted by: fox
« on: 26. October 2024, 15:45:35 »

I hope so too but I'm sure the industry (both games and AI) will try their very best to avoid a democratization.
Posted by: vurt
« on: 26. October 2024, 15:16:41 »

i mean.. there's not even any real effort for doing clones of System Shock 1-2, even though it's such a well known and loved franchise. Totally crazy to me since it has a solid fan base, which likely would buy it, even though it wouldn't be System Shock 3.

Wouldn't mind SS3, good or bad, i can skip it if its bad, and wouldn't mind if there for some reason suddenly was a big shift from making yet another survival game to instead doing System Shock 2 clones..

In a few years i bet we can do our own dream games by just using AI. In fact i have almost zero doubt we'll get there. I am all for it, will be fucking awesome to not have to rely on the industry. it'll be like when i'm in front of my modular synths vs listening to music on spotify - i just do whatever i feel like. Even if it feels almost like sci-fi to be able to have that freedom for games i think we will get there in our life time. 
Posted by: fox
« on: 26. October 2024, 10:24:31 »

I  agree that the chances for a good sequel seem to be close to non-existent but still think "never say never".
Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 26. October 2024, 07:34:35 »

as much as I would like to see the Shock saga wrapped up in a satisfactory way (that's why I don't dislike Thief3), chances of someone actually pulling it off in this day and age are exactly zero.

so yes, just let her like her new look.
Posted by: Chandlermaki
« on: 26. October 2024, 03:07:00 »

I'd much prefer it if the entire modern industry just left it alone at this point. Only pain can come from this.
Posted by: CyrusVonNox2001
« on: 26. October 2024, 02:21:47 »

Last I heard , Warren Spector sold the rights to Shock 3 to Tencent, A move I lost an immense amount of respect for him over. Is there a way Night Dive could get them back and give them to someone else?
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