Posted by: Marvin
« on: 29. January 2025, 20:27:43 »Thanks. I could replicate it now, so fix in the works.
Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 26. January 2025, 13:13:21 »randomly in the log, never noticed the hud complain about anything.
one update - I think you actually have to go ingame for the log warning to appear. as in, you configure the mods, apply and exit, check the log and it's ok, then you go ingame, exit, check the log and it has the warning now. but, again, not always.
one update - I think you actually have to go ingame for the log warning to appear. as in, you configure the mods, apply and exit, check the log and it's ok, then you go ingame, exit, check the log and it has the warning now. but, again, not always.
Posted by: Marvin
« on: 26. January 2025, 12:41:29 »I probably have some space.
BUT, just to be sure: The warning - is it only showing in the logs, or only the HUD status bar, or both? Or is it totally random?
BUT, just to be sure: The warning - is it only showing in the logs, or only the HUD status bar, or both? Or is it totally random?
Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 25. January 2025, 10:11:38 »would be annoying, I'm 97% full on all my gdrives. if you have space, maybe you could share a folder, and I'll drop it it? let me see how large is the smallest install where this sometimes can be replicated (again, it's kind of random).
urgh, 3.5Gb. lets see whether I can downsize it a bit.
urgh, 3.5Gb. lets see whether I can downsize it a bit.
Posted by: Marvin
« on: 25. January 2025, 10:00:01 »No, the warning is just a warning, it will always let you modify the path.
Seems the counter is correct, but the warning is still wrong. I don't know why, as the process is synchronous, but I can try some more things.
Given that I cannot reproduce the problem locally, where debugging would make it trivial to find the problem: How difficult would it be to just send me the entire folder? 7z, highes compression, Google Drive?
Seems the counter is correct, but the warning is still wrong. I don't know why, as the process is synchronous, but I can try some more things.
Given that I cannot reproduce the problem locally, where debugging would make it trivial to find the problem: How difficult would it be to just send me the entire folder? 7z, highes compression, Google Drive?
Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 21. January 2025, 22:53:20 »the good news is I think the mods are actually getting loaded even if the log throws that error - I still can see the hires objects and textures loaded (his issue with the audio mod was not related to this, I believe). I (and anyone else so far, for that matter) also never got into a situation where mods would not be loading for no apparent reason (and I do mess around with this a lot, as you'd expect), so maybe it's not an issue unless someone actually does have too many mods loaded.
Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 21. January 2025, 20:55:35 »the tricky part is that this is kind of random, and it happened on my latest TG install which has 1.1.1, and all I did to make it go away was pausing and then unpausing one mod. now it's not happening there anymore. ooh there we go;
//aaand here we go:
wxWidgets Library (wxMSW port)
Version 3.2.4 (Unicode: wchar_t, debug level: 2),
compiled at Jan 21 2025 19:48:32
Runtime version of toolkit used is 6.1.
Current active mod count during update: 12 compared to max count 63
Current active mod count during update: 12 compared to max count 63
Quote by dmm.log:
Mods setup log - Dark engine Mod Manager 1.1.1
Created: 21 January 2025, 21:21:46
Thief.exe version: 1.27
Mods folder path: C:\Users\M\Desktop\new tfix\Thief Gold\MODS\
Warning: Too many mods are active or paused.
# Name Status Type
-- ----------------------- ------ ----------------------
1 T2_HighPolyMod_v3.7 Active Replacement/Other
2 EP2 Active Replacement/Other, DML
3 ESRGAN Active Replacement/Other
4 CANDLES Active DML
5 Carry Body Active Replacement/Other, DML
6 T2 Skies Active Replacement/Other, DML
7 T2 Water Active Replacement/Other
8 T2 Style World Textures Active Replacement/Other
9 T2 Style AI Meshes Active Replacement/Other, DML
10 EP Active Replacement/Other, DML
11 FMdml Active Replacement/Other, DML
12 RESBASE Active Replacement/Other
mod_path .\MODS\T2_HighPolyMod_v3.7\Thief1+.\MODS\T2_HighPolyMod_v3.7+.\MODS\EP2\Thief1+.\MODS\EP2+.\MODS\ESRGAN\Thief1+.\MODS\ESRGAN+.\MODS\CANDLES\Thief1+.\MODS\CANDLES+.\MODS\Carry Body\Thief1+.\MODS\Carry Body+.\MODS\T2 Skies\Thief1+.\MODS\T2 Skies+.\MODS\T2 Water\Thief1+.\MODS\T2 Water+.\MODS\T2 Style World Textures\Thief1+.\MODS\T2 Style World Textures+.\MODS\T2 Style AI Meshes\Thief1+.\MODS\T2 Style AI Meshes+.\MODS\EP\Thief1+.\MODS\EP+.\MODS\FMdml\Thief1+.\MODS\FMdml+.\MODS\RESBASE\Thief1+.\MODS\RESBASE
movie_path .\movies
Listing of mods folder content:
CANDLES\
miss1.mis.dml
miss10.mis.dml
miss11.mis.dml
miss15.mis.dml
miss17.mis.dml
miss2.mis.dml
miss3.mis.dml
miss5.mis.dml
miss6.mis.dml
tfix.gam.dml
Carry Body\
Mesh\
cb_TG_readme.txt
miss3.mis.dml
miss5.mis.dml
miss9.mis.dml
tfix.gam.dml
EP\
Books\
Fam\
Mesh\
Motions\
Obj\
Thief1\
miss1.mis.dml
miss13.mis.dml
miss17.mis.dml
miss3.mis.dml
miss4.mis.dml
miss9.mis.dml
EP2\
books\
fam\
mesh\
motions\
obj\
tex\
Thief1\
gamesys.dml
miss11.mis.dml
Readme.html
ESRGAN\
fam\
mesh\
obj\
FMdml\
dbmods\
obj\
actreact.gam.dml
bctpsys.gam.dml
miss17.gam.dml
miss31.gam.dml
readme.txt
sperry.gam.dml
tripplegam.gam.dml
RESBASE\
fam.crf
intrface.crf
mesh.crf
obj.crf
T2 Skies\
FAM\
miss1.mis.dml
miss10.mis.dml
miss11.mis.dml
miss12.mis.dml
miss13.mis.dml
miss15.mis.dml
miss16.mis.dml
miss17.mis.dml
miss2.mis.dml
miss3.mis.dml
miss4.mis.dml
miss5.mis.dml
miss6.mis.dml
miss7.mis.dml
miss9.mis.dml
miss_all.dml
T2 Style AI Meshes\
mesh\
motions\
obj\
miss1.mis.dml
T2 Style World Textures\
FAM\
T2 Water\
FAM\
T2_HighPolyMod_v3.7\
Fam\
Mesh\
Obj\
Tex\
Readme.txt
Quote by dmm.cfg:
; Configuration File - Dark engine Mod Manager 1.1.1
application.createLogFile 1
application.showTooltips 1
application.showExtractTip 1
application.version 1.1.1
game.modsPathSuffix
game.modsPathPrefix
game.baseMoviePath .\movies
game.folderPath C:\Users\M\Desktop\new tfix\Thief Gold
game.executableFile Thief.exe
game.installConfigFile install.cfg
game.modsFolder MODS
game.archivesFolder DMMArchives
game.dataOverrideSubfolder Thief1
window.isMaximized 0
window.listColumnOrder index name status type
window.position 473 263
window.size 750 600
Quote by cam_mod.ini:
; ----------
; FM options
; ----------
; FM selection can also be done with command-line options (which override mod.ini)
; -fm : to start the FM Selector
; -fm=name : to start game with 'name' as active FM
; always start the FM Selector (if one is present)
;fm
; start game with FM (the name is the FM's directory name, located in the FM path)
;fm TheDarkMansion
; to specify a path other than the default "FMs" (the specified path must exist or
; it won't be accepted and the game falls back to the default path)
;fm_path .\FMs
; a single relative path name to override the FM movie directory
; default is "Movies" for Thief and "cutscenes" for Shock
;fm_movie_dir Movies
; define the library name of an alternative FM Selector, the default is "fmsel.dll"
fm_selector fmsel.dll
; prevent the FM Selector DLL to be unloaded when continuing to main game (can be useful
; if you experience crashes when FM Selector closes)
;no_unload_fmsel
; an FM Selector is a separate library (DLL) containing a utility, usually a UI based
; application that lists the available FMs and lets the user pick which one to run.
; A selector could range from a simple list box with the FM names to a full blown
; manager with extended info, last played timestamps, sorting/filtering etc.
; ---------
; Mod paths
; ---------
; the max path count is 63 for "uber_mod_path" and "mod_path" combined
; (avoid an excessive amount of paths, it can make file handling slower)
;
; the full path search order is (starting with highest priority)
; uber_mod_path -> FM dir (if active) -> mod_path -> resname_base(/movie_path/etc.)
; these are mod paths that override the active FM in the search order
;uber_mod_path mods\UpToDateOSMs+MyGemMod
uber_mod_path OSM
; these are normal mod paths which are applied after the active FM in the search order
;mod_path MyBowMod+.\TexturePack
mod_path .\MODS\T2_HighPolyMod_v3.7\Thief1+.\MODS\T2_HighPolyMod_v3.7+.\MODS\EP2\Thief1+.\MODS\EP2+.\MODS\ESRGAN\Thief1+.\MODS\ESRGAN+.\MODS\CANDLES\Thief1+.\MODS\CANDLES+.\MODS\Carry Body\Thief1+.\MODS\Carry Body+.\MODS\T2 Skies\Thief1+.\MODS\T2 Skies+.\MODS\T2 Water\Thief1+.\MODS\T2 Water+.\MODS\T2 Style World Textures\Thief1+.\MODS\T2 Style World Textures+.\MODS\T2 Style AI Meshes\Thief1+.\MODS\T2 Style AI Meshes+.\MODS\EP\Thief1+.\MODS\EP+.\MODS\FMdml\Thief1+.\MODS\FMdml+.\MODS\RESBASE\Thief1+.\MODS\RESBASE
//aaand here we go:
wxWidgets Library (wxMSW port)
Version 3.2.4 (Unicode: wchar_t, debug level: 2),
compiled at Jan 21 2025 19:48:32
Runtime version of toolkit used is 6.1.
Current active mod count during update: 12 compared to max count 63
Current active mod count during update: 12 compared to max count 63
Mods setup log - Dark engine Mod Manager 1.1.1 Debug
Created: 21 January 2025, 22:01:50
Thief.exe version: 1.27
Mods folder path: C:\Users\M\Desktop\new tfix\Thief Gold\MODS\
Warning: Too many mods are active or paused.
# Name Status Type
-- ----------------------- ------ ----------------------
1 T2_HighPolyMod_v3.7 Active Replacement/Other
2 EP2 Active Replacement/Other, DML
3 ESRGAN Active Replacement/Other
4 CANDLES Active DML
5 Carry Body Active Replacement/Other, DML
6 T2 Skies Active Replacement/Other, DML
7 T2 Water Active Replacement/Other
8 T2 Style World Textures Active Replacement/Other
9 T2 Style AI Meshes Active Replacement/Other, DML
10 EP Active Replacement/Other, DML
11 FMdml Active Replacement/Other, DML
12 RESBASE Active Replacement/Other
mod_path .\MODS\T2_HighPolyMod_v3.7\Thief1+.\MODS\T2_HighPolyMod_v3.7+.\MODS\EP2\Thief1+.\MODS\EP2+.\MODS\ESRGAN\Thief1+.\MODS\ESRGAN+.\MODS\CANDLES\Thief1+.\MODS\CANDLES+.\MODS\Carry Body\Thief1+.\MODS\Carry Body+.\MODS\T2 Skies\Thief1+.\MODS\T2 Skies+.\MODS\T2 Water\Thief1+.\MODS\T2 Water+.\MODS\T2 Style World Textures\Thief1+.\MODS\T2 Style World Textures+.\MODS\T2 Style AI Meshes\Thief1+.\MODS\T2 Style AI Meshes+.\MODS\EP\Thief1+.\MODS\EP+.\MODS\FMdml\Thief1+.\MODS\FMdml+.\MODS\RESBASE\Thief1+.\MODS\RESBASE
movie_path .\movies
Listing of mods folder content:
CANDLES\
miss1.mis.dml
miss10.mis.dml
miss11.mis.dml
miss15.mis.dml
miss17.mis.dml
miss2.mis.dml
miss3.mis.dml
miss5.mis.dml
miss6.mis.dml
tfix.gam.dml
Carry Body\
Mesh\
cb_TG_readme.txt
miss3.mis.dml
miss5.mis.dml
miss9.mis.dml
tfix.gam.dml
EP\
Books\
Fam\
Mesh\
Motions\
Obj\
Thief1\
miss1.mis.dml
miss13.mis.dml
miss17.mis.dml
miss3.mis.dml
miss4.mis.dml
miss9.mis.dml
EP2\
books\
fam\
mesh\
motions\
obj\
tex\
Thief1\
gamesys.dml
miss11.mis.dml
Readme.html
ESRGAN\
fam\
mesh\
obj\
FMdml\
dbmods\
obj\
actreact.gam.dml
bctpsys.gam.dml
miss17.gam.dml
miss31.gam.dml
readme.txt
sperry.gam.dml
tripplegam.gam.dml
RESBASE\
fam.crf
intrface.crf
mesh.crf
obj.crf
T2 Skies\
FAM\
miss1.mis.dml
miss10.mis.dml
miss11.mis.dml
miss12.mis.dml
miss13.mis.dml
miss15.mis.dml
miss16.mis.dml
miss17.mis.dml
miss2.mis.dml
miss3.mis.dml
miss4.mis.dml
miss5.mis.dml
miss6.mis.dml
miss7.mis.dml
miss9.mis.dml
miss_all.dml
T2 Style AI Meshes\
mesh\
motions\
obj\
miss1.mis.dml
T2 Style World Textures\
FAM\
T2 Water\
FAM\
T2_HighPolyMod_v3.7\
Fam\
Mesh\
Obj\
Tex\
Readme.txt
Posted by: Marvin
« on: 21. January 2025, 19:59:23 »1.0 is rather ancient of a version.
Could you try this fresh debug build? It should log active and max count to a log window during update or apply calls.
Maybe back up your config files beforehand.
Could you try this fresh debug build? It should log active and max count to a log window during update or apply calls.
Maybe back up your config files beforehand.
Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 21. January 2025, 19:21:01 »I have a T2 install I'm not touching (for a different purpose though), here is everything;
Quote by dmm.log:
Mods setup log - Dark engine mod manager 1.0
Created: 26 February 2024, 01:30:00
Thief2.exe version: 1.27
Mods folder path: C:\Users\M\Desktop\thief tests\Thief2 dvd t2fix\MODS\
Warning: Too many mods are active or paused.
# Name Status Type
-- ------------ ------ ------------------------
1 EP2 Active Replacement/Other, DML
2 Candles Paused DML
3 CarryBody Paused Replacement/Other, DML
4 t2water Paused Replacement/Other
5 t2skies Paused Replacement/Other, DML
6 NewT2SFX Paused Replacement/Other
7 EP Paused Replacement/Other
8 Thief2 Fixed Paused Gamesys, CFG, DML, Level
9 Subtitles Paused Subtitle
10 T2FMDML Paused Replacement/Other, DML
mod_path .\MODS\EP2+*.\MODS\Candles+*.\MODS\CarryBody+*.\MODS\t2water+*.\MODS\t2skies+*.\MODS\NewT2SFX+*.\MODS\EP+*.\MODS\Thief2 Fixed+*.\MODS\Subtitles+*.\MODS\T2FMDML
movie_path .\MOVIES
Listing of mods folder content:
Candles\
dark.gam.dml
miss1.mis.dml
miss10.mis.dml
miss11.mis.dml
miss12.mis.dml
miss13.mis.dml
miss14.mis.dml
miss7.mis.dml
CarryBody\
mesh\
gamesys.dml
miss1.mis.dml
miss11.mis.dml
miss2.mis.dml
miss5.mis.dml
readme.txt
EP\
Books\
Fam\
Mesh\
Motions\
Obj\
Thief1\
EP2\
books\
fam\
mesh\
motions\
obj\
tex\
Thief1\
gamesys.dml
miss11.mis.dml
Readme.html
NewT2SFX\
snd\
Subtitles\
subtitles\
T2FMDML\
dbmods\
sq_scripts\
afterfark.gam.dml
claire.gam.dml
debt_5.gam.dml
friend.gam.dml
haunt.gam.dml
LICENSE
miss23.gam.dml
readme.txt
Schneesturm.gam.dml
t2x.gam.dml
URV3.gam.dml
user.gam.dml
t2skies\
FAM\
miss1.mis.dml
miss10.mis.dml
miss11.mis.dml
miss12.mis.dml
miss13.mis.dml
miss14.mis.dml
miss16.mis.dml
miss2.mis.dml
miss4.mis.dml
miss5.mis.dml
miss6.mis.dml
miss7.mis.dml
miss8.mis.dml
miss9.mis.dml
miss_all.dml
t2skies README.html
t2water\
FAM\
README.html
Thief2 Fixed\
Books\
Fam\
Intrface\
Mesh\
Motions\
Obj\
Schema\
Snd\
sq_scripts\
Strings\
dark.cfg
Dark.gam
dark.gam.dml
FM.rtf
gamesys.dml
miss1 - Copy.mis
miss1.mis
miss1.mis.dml
miss10.mis
miss11.mis
miss11.mis.dml
miss12.mis
miss13.mis
miss13.mis.dml
miss14.mis
miss14.mis.dml
miss15.mis
miss15.mis.dml
miss16.mis
miss16.mis.dml
miss2.mis
miss2.mis.dml
miss4.mis
miss5.mis
miss6.mis
miss6.mis.dml
miss7.mis
miss8.mis
miss9.mis
Quote by dmm.cfg:
; Configuration File - Dark engine mod manager 1.0
application.createLogFile 1
application.showTooltips 1
application.showExtractTip 1
application.version 1.0
game.modPathSuffix
game.modPathPrefix
game.baseMoviePath .\MOVIES
game.folderPath C:\Users\M\Desktop\thief tests\Thief2 dvd t2fix
game.executableFile Thief2.exe
game.installConfigFile DARKINST.CFG
game.modsFolder MODS
game.archivesFolder DMMArchives
window.isMaximized 0
window.listColumnOrder index name status type
window.position 377 139
window.size 1166 875
Quote by cam_mod.ini:
; ----------
; FM options
; ----------
; FM selection can also be done with command-line options (which override mod.ini)
; -fm : to start the FM Selector
; -fm=name : to start game with 'name' as active FM
; always start the FM Selector (if one is present)
;fm
; start game with FM (the name is the FM's directory name, located in the FM path)
;fm TheDarkMansion
; to specify a path other than the default "FMs" (the specified path must exist or
; it won't be accepted and the game falls back to the default path)
;fm_path .\FMs
; a single relative path name to override the FM movie directory
; default is "Movies" for Thief and "cutscenes" for Shock
;fm_movie_dir Movies
; define the library name of an alternative FM Selector, the default is "fmsel.dll"
;fm_selector fmsel.dll
; prevent the FM Selector DLL to be unloaded when continuing to main game (can be useful
; if you experience crashes when FM Selector closes)
;no_unload_fmsel
; an FM Selector is a separate library (DLL) containing a utility, usually a UI based
; application that lists the available FMs and lets the user pick which one to run.
; A selector could range from a simple list box with the FM names to a full blown
; manager with extended info, last played timestamps, sorting/filtering etc.
; ---------
; Mod paths
; ---------
; the max path count is 63 for "uber_mod_path" and "mod_path" combined
; (avoid an excessive amount of paths, it can make file handling slower)
;
; the full path search order is (starting with highest priority)
; uber_mod_path -> FM dir (if active) -> mod_path -> resname_base(/movie_path/etc.)
; these are mod paths that override the active FM in the search order
;uber_mod_path mods\UpToDateOSMs+MyGemMod
uber_mod_path .\OSM
; these are normal mod paths which are applied after the active FM in the search order
;mod_path MyBowMod+.\TexturePack
mod_path .\MODS\EP2+*.\MODS\Candles+*.\MODS\CarryBody+*.\MODS\t2water+*.\MODS\t2skies+*.\MODS\NewT2SFX+*.\MODS\EP+*.\MODS\Thief2 Fixed+*.\MODS\Subtitles+*.\MODS\T2FMDML
Posted by: Marvin
« on: 21. January 2025, 19:11:12 »I'd like to have a look at the actual mod folder, and more importantly, the DMM config file, dmm.cfg. No, this should not happen (normally). cam_mod.ini would also be nice.
The calculation is: (63 - prefix mods - postfix mods) divided by 2 if override mod folders activated must be greater or equal than the list of mods.
By default, for SS2 at least, this would be 62 (patch_ext counts as a mod), which is of course higher than 10. The 63 is hardcoded according in line with NewDark docu, but it could be made configurable.
The calculation is: (63 - prefix mods - postfix mods) divided by 2 if override mod folders activated must be greater or equal than the list of mods.
By default, for SS2 at least, this would be 62 (patch_ext counts as a mod), which is of course higher than 10. The 63 is hardcoded according in line with NewDark docu, but it could be made configurable.
Posted by: sarge945
« on: 14. January 2025, 05:57:20 »AFAIK the mod managers simply update the games config files in order to add the extra paths for the mod data to the games data paths.
Unless DMM is doing some shenanigans, it should be the same.
Unless DMM is doing some shenanigans, it should be the same.
Posted by: Insidious849
« on: 14. January 2025, 04:51:07 »sarge945Strange. Could it be because I'm using DMM instead?
Posted by: sarge945
« on: 14. January 2025, 02:52:09 »I'm using ~15 mods with no problem, you shouldn't have a "too many mods" error.
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Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 13. January 2025, 21:58:23 »yes, mid game deactivation/activation. you will have to ignore this, the new spawns will be ok.
Posted by: Insidious849
« on: 13. January 2025, 21:14:41 »voodoo47Okay, well, I removed some mods and reinstalled 400 and SHTUP, and now my Shotgun Hybrids' shotguns look fucked up.
Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 13. January 2025, 20:46:20 »ok, something weird is going on, 10 mods definitely isn't too many.
Posted by: Insidious849
« on: 13. January 2025, 20:11:43 »voodoo47I think I see the problem: the .log is saying that too many mods are active. I'll try getting rid of some mods that I don't need much. Thanks!
Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 13. January 2025, 11:49:01 »looks standard upon quick glance (you probably did not edit anything manually so no surprise), ss2bmm.log would be of more interest.
still, if you can hear the difference, then the mod is active, and if it sounds off, then the only thing you can do is not use the mod, probably.
still, if you can hear the difference, then the mod is active, and if it sounds off, then the only thing you can do is not use the mod, probably.
Posted by: Insidious849
« on: 13. January 2025, 10:32:18 »voodoo47Ah, I believe I spoke with you on Steam asking about the same issue.
Anyway, putting the soundtrack mod as top priority didn't work, plus the audio overall sounds like it outputs lower quality than something like 44100 Hz or 48000.
I've uploaded my settings in the attachments below.
Anyway, putting the soundtrack mod as top priority didn't work, plus the audio overall sounds like it outputs lower quality than something like 44100 Hz or 48000.
I've uploaded my settings in the attachments below.
Posted by: voodoo47
« on: 13. January 2025, 10:01:28 »looks ok, what doesn't work exactly?
Posted by: Insidious849
« on: 13. January 2025, 04:22:22 »Hello! New member here.
Some of my mods don't seem to be working, so I wanted to see how I could correct my mod priorities.
Please let me know!
Some of my mods don't seem to be working, so I wanted to see how I could correct my mod priorities.
Please let me know!
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