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A while ago I gave up installing adblockers on every browser and switched to blocking ads (and other annoyances) on the DNS level. This way the network request is blocked before anything gets downloaded (unlike browser-based ad-blocking). It also means that the whole device is protected, including browsers like mobile Chrome, which doesn't allow extensions. And even ads inside apps are filtered! I'm going to shortly describe my setup here.

Mobile (Android)
Blokada is an open source app that allows you to block network requests on your Android device, according to auto-updating filter lists. It does not require root access. It comes with all necessary list providers predefined, which you can simply enable (or define your own). 
Blokada also offers a VPN service called Blokada+ with costs, but you can ignore that. Since practically all websites use encryption these days, VPNs have lost much of their usefulness (except for torrents).

Blokada is not available from the Play store, because Google earns a lot of money with ads. I installed Blokada-v4 via the alternative appstore F-Droid but you can also download the APK from Blokada's own site and install that.

I use 2 filter lists in Blokada: "StevenBlack Unified" and a smaller custom list to block cookie notifications. I have had good experiences with Steven Black's host list but I've also used Blokada's default list ("Energized Blu") and it's fine. For performance and battery reasons I recommend not to use more than 1 large list provider.


Desktop (Windows 10)
I wanted the same experience on desktop and found the free HostsMan program, which serves this purpose.
HostsMan can subscribe to custom filter list providers and add the data to your hosts file. It has some niceties like keeping backups and various options how to merge data. While it doesn't automatically update the lists and hosts file, this is hardly necessary to do often and HostsMan makes a manual update as easy as possible.

HostsMan doesn't require installation, however in order to change the hosts file it requires to be run in admin mode, as do you.
This is the custom filter lists URL I use with HostsMan (it's the aforementioned StevenBlack list again): http://sbc.io/hosts/hosts
« Last Edit: 22. December 2020, 01:12:15 by Kolya »

6827375a77c16Nameless Voice

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Another thing which you can do, at least when you are using your home network, is to configure ad blocking on your router level.
It's the same idea with breaking the DNS entries for known ad sites, only here you're doing it on the DNS server level (as your router is normally your network's primary DNS provider.)
This means that you get ad blocking on every device using your network, even ones where you can't install your own software.

Exactly how to do this depends on your router, and will probably need a custom firmware, so unfortunately it's not all that easy to set up.
Some custom router firmwares, such as TomatoUSB, have an option for enabling DNS ad blocking rightin their GUI, once you get them installed.
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Yes. A similar idea is to install the DNS server software Pi-Hole to a Raspberry Pi and configure your router to use the raspberry pi as a DNS server.

For me this isn't an option though. Disabling ads on the whole home network is too inflexible. As a web developer working from home I sometimes need to see the ads on websites I work on. And my wife actually prefers to see ads.
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And my wife actually prefers to see ads.
But... how? Why?
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Haha, to support the websites she visits.

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I've actually had the (dis)pleasure of having to use youtube without adblock recently. holy cow.
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Me too. Usually use youtube with firefox and adblocker on mobile, but had to switch to the app. Its soooo anoying. Not just the ads, but the confusing UI, the constant screen rotation and the stupid non-video content. The mobile browser version is really ZEN like in comparison.

But, ads are what keeps youtube free to use. We should have a day to thank all the people who watch youtube with ads. Their sacrifice keeps YouTube free for us all!
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In my opinion the financing of online services through ads is plain broken. It necessarily leads to tracking and user surveillance to achieve ad-targetting and is therefore privacy intrusive by nature and a large part of the reason why social media is destroying democracy.

As a user I refuse this model. I would prefer to pay for services. But I'm not going to register, give payment data and subscribe to a costly monthly payment plan for every website I visit once in a blue moon. Either someone figures out cheap micro-payments or there needs to be some kind of internet tax that's distributed to content creators.

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I think the way the internet is right now is workable for me. Websites get payed by ads and you and me, who don't wanna be tracked can just install an adblocker.
Don't want the gov screwing it up, like they did here in the EU with the mandatory "would you like cookies" banner on every freaking website. That might even be more annoying then ads. Before that, those who cared could just quietly block cookies. Now everyone is constantly interrupted and without reading just clicks yes. Nothing was won.
Micropayments are hard implement well. Also they would hand a lot of power to whoever is running that system.
Social media censorship has nothing to do with ads though. Its actually hurting there bottom line. YouTube for example, can't profit from demonitized or hidden videos.
Ads may track you, but that is optional if you know what you are doing. So I consider them the best compromise.
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I didn't mean censorship on social media, but how the most enraging topics are pushed to the top in social media, because they create user engagement. And user engagement means you see more ads, make more money. It's a troll machine.

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Brave Browser talked about doing an interesting system, where it would keep track (locally) of the websites that you visited, and then give them each a fraction of a monthly "internet fund", based on how much you visited each one.
But Brave Browser has... other problems which would turn one off using it.  Still, it's an interesting idea.


I still can't help but feel that the entire concept of advertising is flawed.
That is - I think the impact of advertising is exaggerated.  Letting your potential customers know that your product exists is invaluable, but I feel that actually swaying them to buy it, when they weren't already inclined to do so, is a much harder proposition.

Then again, we've already proven how many people are willing to believe any nonsense without giving it even a moment's critical thought, so I'm probably just not the target audience for most of the advertisements.
« Last Edit: 23. December 2020, 03:12:42 by Nameless Voice »
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But Brave Browser has... other problems which would turn one off using it.
Are you referring to Brendan Eich's politics?

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In part that, but also there was something about them being involved in dodgy practices, such as removing ads from websites only to instead replace them with ads that make Brave money.
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I've actually had the (dis)pleasure of having to use youtube without adblock recently. holy cow.

It's the absolute worst! I think I have seen 10 minute videos with 5+ ad breaks. I understand supporting content creators but some of them are just obnoxious. I would rather pay $1 a month to a patreon than see ads, and the creator probably gets more out of me overall if I do this. Ads are obsolete.

I personally run Pi-Hole inside a Docker container on my home server. It works pretty well. Would definitely recommend.

In part that, but also there was something about them being involved in dodgy practices, such as removing ads from websites only to instead replace them with ads that make Brave money.

Using or not using a useful piece of tech for political reasons is silly. But in the case of Brave, I simply do not trust it because it is proprietary. And being based on Chromium, a project Google has multiple times in the past tried to invade with privacy-intruding additions, means I have to potentially trust both Google and Brave with my browsing information. No thanks. It gets worse when you look at things like the Brave Rewards and realise that they are actually encouraging the bad advertising practices on the net, rather than discouraging them, and they are incentivised to do things that hurt their customers as a result.

I hate Mozilla's politics and censorship, but Firefox is definitely the best browser on the market right now, so it's my current go-to. They have had their issues (like the Mr Robot tie in which was extremely mishandled, as well as the Pocket integration which I wish didn't exist), but tech-wise their browser is still great. If people have issues with Firefox I recommend SeaMonkey, but it has it's own issues (namely the fact that it's based on old Firefox so has some modern compatibility issues). Maybe there's a better more modern fork of Firefox that I should switch to.
« Last Edit: 01. January 2021, 05:54:07 by sarge945 »
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Using or not using a useful piece of tech for political reasons is silly.

It's not that silly considering that by choosing to use their tech you are actively supporting their success. Can't separate politics from your actions.

Anyway, I use a portable Chromium build from here: https://chromium.woolyss.com It comes with a launcher that keeps it up-to-date. You can decide the level of google's involvement you're fine with yourself, by choosing the appropriate build.

6827375a7a00dNameless Voice

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What Kolya said, but also I wasn't really trying to start some kind of browser war, I was talking specifically about the concept of "pay into an 'Internet fund', then distribute that fund to websites you visit" as a potential replacement of the ad-based model.

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That sounds awfully like the patreon model. Which, yes, works very well.
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kolya wrote:
> Desktop (Windows 10)

using https://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm since ages, can't browse the web without a dns filter  :omg:
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