Does anybody here have experience with the Doom 3/IDTech 4 engine?

[6741d4a81f12cCyrusVonNox2001]

I've been looking around and I noticed on Github that the Doom 3, or IDTech 4 source code has been released as open source.  I also noticed that the code was written in C++, the language I'm currently learning in college. I felt inspired after looking at the Dark Mod, a Thief spiritual successor running on IDTech 4, though I haven't played it.(I'll get around to that soon) But anyway,  If somebody can make Thief in the Doom 3 engine, I think a System Shock style game can be made in it as well. Especially with some of Doom 3's features, like interactive screens, a beautiful lighting engine, and the fact that the PDA can view Emails and videos in addition to audio logs. I know Doom 3 was already trying to be System Shock, but it would be cool to have somebody picked up where it left off and make a true immersive sim out of it. Do you know if anyone here has experience with this engine like with modding with it, mapping with it, and adding new features? I'm more looking for tutorial resources. I'm also gonna go over to the Dark Mod forums as ask it there too.

[6741d4a81f2bdZylonBane]

Here we go again...

[6741d4a81f441CyrusVonNox2001]

Update: I take this back, I've since apologized, I will leave it up here just so the context remains.

Ok, I don't know what your problem with me is, but, almost every reply you've made to anything I've posted, you've been either mean, dismissive, or a smartass. Is this some kind of initiation, cause I haven't seen you treating anyone else like this? So, either everyone else has "Passed the test," or you just have a problem with me or think I'm an idiot. Everyone else except you seems to have treated me with a neutral disposition. I've not expecting to be liked, I'm just here to ask questions, propose ideas, and otherwise participate in the System Shock/Looking Glass community. There, I've aired my grievance.

[6741d4a81f589Gawain]

Making games is hard. Engine is one of the smallest part of it. Life gets in the way.

[6741d4a81f891voodoo47]

treating anyone else

rest assured, you are not a special case - most, if not all people here have their own unique way of interacting with the world, and whoever wants to hang around will have to roll with it.

this is a place full of old grumpy people who specialize in finding anomalies, discrepancies and outright bugs in pretty much everything, so what else would you expect? just be grumpy with us, it's fun.

[6741d4a81fb7ficemann]

voodoo47
The other factor is that we've been hearing someone every 6 months announcing a new SS remake in various engines for the past 20 years. Very few of which ever got anywhere. With that factored in, the grumpiness is justified IMO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSphO_igse8

Last non official remake that I can recall, that even got to the video stage. And yes I know that was longer than 6 months ago. I'm exaggerating.

[6741d4a82001dJDoran]

Ok, I don't know what your problem with me is, but, almost every reply you've made to anything I've posted, you've been either mean, dismissive, or a smartass. Is this some kind of initiation, cause I haven't seen you treating anyone else like this? So, either everyone else has "Passed the test," or you just have a problem with me or think I'm an idiot. Everyone else except you seems to have treated me with a neutral disposition. I've not expecting to be liked, I'm just here to ask questions, propose ideas, and otherwise participate in the System Shock/Looking Glass community. There, I've aired my grievance.

Hello mate, welcome to the forums. As others have said re: your SS2/Doom 3 idea, there have been many attempts to remake System Shock 2 (and System Shock 1) over the decades. Most never get further than a few forum posts announcing the new project and maybe asking for volunteers. Some of them actually getting as far a fair attempt at remaking the first (medical) level with or without any enemies and with or without some of the game's game mechanics. But I've yet to see such a project get even as far as having the major part of two levels, plus a good attempt at the game mechanics. Every attempt at remaking either System Shock 1 or two ends long before the one third point. The one exception is JosiahJack's System Shock 1 remake, and even that is still not finished, despite his very admirable determination, because like most of us he has to spend most of his waking hours working to feed himself and his family.

So please don't be offended that no one is interested in a discussion about a remake, it's just that we've all been so disappointed so many times about such projects, and not just about System Shock 1 and 2, countless games have had fan-made remakes announced, and 99.99999% of them never see release, and 95% of those never seem to even result in even the shortest playable demo. The 'net is full of abandoned projects, and it can be really disappointing if you were following one of the projects.

As to ZylonBane, he doesn't mean any harm, it's just the way he talks to anyone (me definitely included), but he's really good at the SS2 technical stuff, and he will happily spend real time and effort to help if you decided to try SS2 modding.

[6741d4a820200Pyornkrachzark]

Talking about Doom 3,

there are lots of different mods that modify the vanilla game in different directions. Some are very well made, some others make the game better in some aspects but create bugs and inconsistencies too.
If all the community's efforts were directed towards a mod similar to SCP it would be much better. I don't know why this didn't happen, maybe the lack of a website like this?

PS I wonder if my post is off topic for the original off topic post :-)

[6741d4a820312voodoo47]

well, not everyone who wanders is lost, and slight off topic will always find its proper place here on Rec.

also no need to you know, sign your posts, they are not letters, and while letters can be posted, posts shouldn't be.. lettered.

[6741d4a820452fox]

"Not everyone who wanders is lost."
- Da Lama

[6741d4a820822unn_atropos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSphO_igse8

Woah, that exo-terrists FROG at 0:07 just was exposed to a buttload of oxygen! 


About the matter of making a System Shock 2 game in another engine; as others already said, this never resulted in anything. Personally I've become rather numb to the prospect.

What would be nice though if there were people making new Fan Missions. The last one, Blind Disposition, was released in 2016, so almost a decade ago...

[6741d4a8209c0JDoran]

On a tangent, I always felt that Doom 64 was the real Doom 3, and that Doom 3, whilst a good game in it's own way, wasn't really a Doom game in feel or design.

There is a fantastic mod for the original Dooms (Doom 1, 2, TNT, and Plutonia) and fan-made wads that changes everything to the Doom 64  style graphics and enemies, and I really think it improves the atmosphere of the game. I am at work now, so I can't check which mod it is, but this seems to be the one:

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/134891-doom-64-unseen-evil-v103-10142024-prepare-yourself-for-evils-unseen/



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzc6wVXM57U

[6741d4a820ab8voodoo47]

I would need the exact opposite of that, a mod that changes the D64 sprites to the classic ones.

if you can't do a proper Cacodemon, you are no Doom to me.

[6741d4a820d64JDoran]

I would need the exact opposite of that, a mod that changes the D64 sprites to the classic ones.

if you can't do a proper Cacodemon, you are no Doom to me.

Yes, the original Cacodemons (or "tomato monsters", as half of the fan-base calls them) are very iconic indeed (and wasn't it a great feeling, when you were fighting a Cacodemon and it turned it's back on you because another of the Hell-spawn had accidentally shot the Cacodemon so it's ignored you and attacked something else instead? Why is monster infighting so rare? It's a great gameplay mechanic, but almost no non-Doom game has it. Even Duke Nukem 3D didn't have it. Doom 3 had monster infighting, just about about three times a game, if you were lucky). But for me, playing Doom 64 back in the late 1990s, the overall graphics and the atmospheric sounds just seemed more immersive to me than the PC versions, but of course it's all objective.

[6741d4a820e5evoodoo47]

no classic Cacodemon, no deal, there are some things I just won't budge on.

[6741d4a82107bicemann]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzc6wVXM57U

Ok that's the most awesome thing I've seen in ages for Doom. If you've not already, go play "house.wad". That is an experience in itself.

[6741d4a82153dsarge945]

Ok, I don't know what your problem with me is, but, almost every reply you've made to anything I've posted, you've been either mean, dismissive, or a smartass.

First time dealing with ZB?

Some people on here are jackasses, not much we can do about it unfortunately. Try not to take it personally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzc6wVXM57U

Solid meh from me.

Outside of E1, which is excellent, the Doom 1 maps are pretty awful, and I've played through E1 enough times to know it inside and out. This looks interesting on a very surface level, but neither the levels themselves or the core gameplay look different enough to draw me in. It just looks like a Doom 1 mappack for D64, with a few extra additions like the cut D64 enemies returning.

[6741d4a8216f7CyrusVonNox2001]

This is a message for ZylonBane:
Hi, sorry about getting mad earlier this week. I've only been here a few months, so I'm not always fully aware of the community's past and all the failed attempts to remake SS2 or make a new game altogether. If I was truly in a position to make my own Shock game, I would have had something to show for it. That being said, I still would like mess around with IDtech 4, more as an educational experience, It seems pretty capable if a bunch of fans made a Thief game out of it. And yes, looking back, I do kind of come across like a bitchy, perfectionistic idiot who doesn't know how things work. So, once again, sorry, and I truly appreciate what you and the rest of the long time community members have done to keep the Shock series alive.

I'm putting this here because I put the same message in ZB's pms, but considering the possibility that he gets so many pms that there's no point in looking at them anymore (I've experienced that before.) I've put it here.

[6741d4a821840voodoo47]

just forget about it, again, it's ok to say whatever you want to say around here, and most people here have lost their ability to get offended decades ago anyway, I would say. so it's whatever.

you have to be seriously annoying/crude to even get a warning, and I think the only lunatic that got the boot was that guy who tried to make an online version of the tool and then started to throw death threats around because nobody liked it.


so no need for this, acknowledge my post if you are ok with this being deleted in 24 hrs.

[6741d4a821920CyrusVonNox2001]

Sure.

[6741d4a821b0eicemann]

CyrusVonNox2001
Rather than making a separate thread. It's best to make related posts in the same thread.

Merging this to the related thread.

[6741d4a821bfcvoodoo47]

guess no need to delete then.

[6741d4a8228d5JDoran]

Ok that's the most awesome thing I've seen in ages for Doom. If you've not already, go play "house.wad". That is an experience in itself.

Wow, I've just spent some time playing "myhouse.pk3", and it's not what I thought it was at all. Google found a site with this Doom level, with both '.wad' and '.pk3' formats, so I tried the .pk3 version, as I thought it might be better or more advanced.

I take it this is the level that you mean? It starts out like a normal Doom level, you are standing outside a house, but inside it's fenced garden, you enter the house, you fight zombie pistol men, zombie shotgunners, imps, and pinky demons, then it becomes.... surreal. It's really well done (I've not tried the .wad version yet, can the standard Doom engine, via a .WAD file, do these things?), and I don't think I've seen a Doom level or mod do this before (I'm not mentioning spoilers here, in case anyone else decides to try it).

At first I thought the title "My House" was bad, as it was so generic. But I see now that it was meant to lull you into a false expectation that the mod would be an unimaginative and straightforward mod.

When I get home, I'll carry on with it, see how deep it goes. Thanks for the recommendation, mate.

...It just looks like a Doom 1 mappack for D64, with a few extra additions like the cut D64 enemies returning.

Yes (and Doom 2, and TNT, and Plutonia, and many-fan made levels are presumably compatible, too), but I feel that the Doom 64 aesthetics are extremely atmospheric, and really immersive, so this is something I will keep in my Doom installation.

[6741d4a822a3cfox]

Obvious spoiler warning!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wAo54DHDY0

Yeah, this is mental and it is art. And now for something completely different... Next stop: Squirell Stapler.