SS2 list of broken and lowpoly objects that need fixing

[6740e828ad167Olfred]

In almost all the animations the ankles are animated in a way that the foot is bend downwards. Kinda like standing on your toes.
It's not that apparent for the low poly meshes, but becomes very apparent for high poly meshes.

Generally all the animations which are created through motion capturing haven't been cleaned properly, or at all. So there are a lot of glitches in them.

[6740e828ad305voodoo47]

I'm starting to think Blutch intentionally broke the joints to circumvent the issue.

[6740e828ad409Olfred]

He did

[6740e828ad527voodoo47]

fun.

[6740e828ad851RocketMan]

...and it's why I did the bent foot thing (which I moderated considerably in this rev).  I'll fix the pipe and see if I can clean up the feet a  bit.

[6740e828ad978RocketMan]

Should be fixed now...

The pipe had an unwelded vert.  Not sure how it got there if it wasn't there before unless I caused it to be there... odd.
[grunt_p.bin expired]
[grunt_p.cal expired]

[6740e828ada69voodoo47]

I think it's ready - Reb4 incoming later today.

[6740e828adb7fSystem Shocked]

WooHoo ! ! !   

. . . . . aaannnnddddd, what else . . . . . hmmmmmm ?

[6740e828adc96voodoo47]

would it be possible to lock the ankles again? I know that breaking stuff to fix things is not the best idea ever, but some of those motions are just crap, and no amount of fine tuning will fix that. gotta agree with Blutch on this one, the ankles are better off rigid.

[6740e828addd2RocketMan]

If only I knew how to do it.  Trial and error I suppose.  Normally I get errors when I start moving or deleting things.

[6740e828adecfOlfred]

Just move the limit the planes so that the feet are not included anymore and instead belong to the legs

[6740e828ae023RocketMan]

Yeah, that's what Blutch clearly did with the grenade hybrid arm (the one that's gimpy).  The planes were off in space, encapsulating nothing.  However, at times he also deleted planes, like with the neck.  I don't pretend to understand the rhyme or reason behind it but it seemed to function when he did it.  I don't think I'm gonna risk deleting anything.  I can move the planes down into the floor and HOPEFULLY that doesn't cause DARK to go haywire because moving arm planes is one thing... they still exist in the playable space.  Moving planes into the solid matter of the floor may be quite another.  Just speculation but I gotta throw it out there all the same.

[6740e828ae104Olfred]

Planes disappear upon creating a model.
The bin file simply groups vertexes to the encapsulated areas.

[6740e828ae1f1voodoo47]

sounds like a lot of work - I'm certainly not stopping you if you want to experiment, but consider this (unlike the previous fixes) non-critical, it would be just icing on the cake.

[6740e828ae368RocketMan]

Well, according to what Olfred's saying, the planes are just a crude user GUI tool to visually define stretchy areas and rigid areas based on vert location with respect to the planes... and then they apparently cease to exist or have any purpose after that's been accomplished, so there is no physical entity in the game world where the planes used to be, to worry about collisions or whatever.  If that's true, then I can move the planes into the floor and see what happens.  It should make the entire leg and foot 1 solid piece.  I dunno what that's going to do to the toes during death or walking sequences but you've seen a lot more of that than I have so if you think it'll help, I'll do it.  The other thing I have yet to experiment with is what happens when the joint box is no longer between the limit planes for the same joint.  Guess I'll find out.

[6740e828ae454System Shocked]

At a boy, RocketMan . . . . . . most everyone likes icing on their cake. 

[6740e828ae557Olfred]

If I remember correctly you need to move the box between the limit planes as well.
Now so the bones don't extend all the way out of the model you could move them behind the ankles just outside of the model. Then rotate the limit planes by .... dunno 75% degree so the area is somewhere behind the model and doesn't cut into anything.

[6740e828ae645RocketMan]

Holy fucking Batman!!

[6740e828ae751RocketMan]

Those planes were NOT cooperative.

DELETED!!!

[6740e828ae860voodoo47]

yep, the ankles are rigid again, resulting in much less weirdness happening. would recommend the same treatment for the last version of midwife and shotgun guy.

[6740e828ae92aRocketMan]

Shit... if i still have them.  Lemme check.

[6740e828ae9f0voodoo47]

they are in the public Rebirth04 pack.

[6740e828aeac5Olfred]

Just as a little advise. It's always good to also upload the source files. If for some reason you aren't here anymore and as personal backup.

[6740e828aeba2RocketMan]

Voodoo:  I meant the max files.  Can't do anything with the bins.

Olfred:  YES.  I have to start doing that.