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I personally believe that any politician who is found lying should be immediately and irrevocably thrown out of office and banned from politics for at least 5 years.

I don't think my opinion would be very popular with politicians.
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it's so bad over here that they don't even flinch when caught on the camera anymore. they are like "ok lol" and just continue where they left off.

I mean lying getting them kicked out of their job? they are not getting fired for aiding a foreign power in kidnapping their citizen who asked for asylum, so yeah, not happening.
« Last Edit: 31. March 2019, 17:07:46 by voodoo47 »
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Pretty sure when the male hetero politicians screwed your country over you didn't blame it on their gender or sexual orientation. Just keep it that way with the gay Gipsy women and it'll be fine.

Lying is actually relevant to the job description, though I'd keep in mind that democracy is fundamentally based on compromises. So wanting to do one thing (and saying so) but ending up doing not quite that, out of necessity eg to achieve another bigger goal, is quite common in politics and not a sign of lying.
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Also I'm your worst fucking nightmare in the jungle of Costa Rica right now (if you're a can of pilsener).
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Wanting to do something (and promising to do it) and then not managing isn't lying though, so long as you weren't just pretending to want to do it, while secretly having no intention of doing it.

I can't think of any legitimate reason for a politician to lie to their own people.  Those are the people whose interests they are supposed to represent, lying to them seems like the exact opposite of what they're supposed to be doing.

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all person B has to do is to twist person A's words a little, and call person A a racist, or sexist, or ageist, or ableist (yes, that is a word), etc
Can you link to a significant example for me please?
The far left are just the other side of the coin from the far right. Both sides HATE freedom of speech, and do what they can to silence anyone who says anything which is against their politicians own views and fixed beliefs.
Can you link to a significant example for me please?
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Not a significant example for anything, but last Wednesday I was on a concert of a local band and in the restrooms I overheard the following conversation:

A: .. and they have to build toilets for "undetermined gender" now. It's also in all the job adverts: If you're of undetermined gender you get the job right away!
B: So that's how you got your job.

There's something to be learned here about not taking these irrational fears top seriously, but not rejecting the people who express them either. All in a daft joke.

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The far left are just the other side of the coin from the far right. Both sides HATE freedom of speech, and do what they can to silence anyone who says anything which is against their politicians own views and fixed beliefs.

It wasn't that long ago (a few hundred years) that women were burned at the stake under the guise of being a witch when often it was for being independent, intelligent etc. For men you were a warlock if you dabbled in technology too much. Such was the dark ages.
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all person B has to do is to twist person A's words a little, and call person A a racist, or sexist, or ageist, or ableist (yes, that is a word), etc

Can you link to a significant example for me please?

Seriously? If you're not familiar with this then I assume you're not in the USA or UK? If so, then you're lucky, as PC, which started out as a good thing, and is still mostly very much for the best, has been responsible (or rather, it's been misused by people) for some really bad things. And if you criticise those bad things, then you yourself get labelled as a stone age Nazi who wants everything to be like it was in the middle ages.

Anyway, how about the utterly appalling mass abuse of youg girls in Rochdale and other places in the UK, which was partly allowed to continue for years because of peoples' complaints and worries being classed as racist and "Islamaphobic"?

Thousands of teenage or underage girls were raped and sexually abused by mainly Muslim men, and when any of the girls contacted the authorities, the authorities, fearing that they be accused of racism against Muslims, tried to pain the girls as prostitutes. When anyone else tried to help the girls, they were labelled as racist, because again the authorities didn't want to look bad themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_child_sex_abuse_ring


Much less seriously, but still monumentally unfair, is the case of the Wonder Woman actress, who, when Professor Stephen Hawking died, tweeted "Rest in peace Dr. Hawking. Now you're free of any physical constraints.. Your brilliance and wisdom will be cherished forever," was vilified by some of the press and some very stupid people as being "ableist", when it's clear to anyone with a brain that her post wasn't meant to be offensive, but kind and compassionate. She was forced to apologise, of course, as otherwiswe her careeer would have been over.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/life/nation-now/2018/03/16/gal-gadot-slammed-tweeting-stephen-hawking-now-free-physical-constraints-ableist-stephen-hawking-tri/431133002/


Everything is fair game to the if-we-don't-agree-with-it-then-it's-wrong hypocrates. What about the American footballer who, when talking about sport said to a woman reporter "it's funny to hear a female talk about routes". He was called everything but a Nazi by the far left media then, even though the comment was obviously not meant offensively, and, to the bloke who said it, might even have been true. He was forced to apologise, or the media would have done what they could to ruin his career.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/04/sports/football/cam-newton-reporter.html?module=inline

Or a million more. Most aren't public, as anything can be attacked via the political correctness extremists, who actively look for things to be offended about. And if you dare to not be almost hysterically offended by anything that the extremists deem 'wrong', then you yourself are classed a [something]ist, who belongs in the stone age.




The far left are just the other side of the coin from the far right. Both sides HATE freedom of speech, and do what they can to silence anyone who says anything which is against their politicians own views and fixed beliefs.

Can you link to a significant example for me please?

Again, seriously?  OK, look at the Nazis (surely THE purest definition of the worst of the far right). The first concentration camp they set up, Dachau, wasn't specifically set up for Jews, or the disabled, etc, it was to hold anyone who spoke out against the Nazis. All extremist groups with political power first try to silence free speech, as doing so severely limits both the chance of an uprising against them, and the people they control finding out anything that the leaders don't want the people to find out about. They also do what they can to get anyone who they disprove of sacked from their job, and then do what they can to ruin that person's career, even if that person was very good at their job and had simply said one thing that the extremists disagree with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dachau_concentration_camp

The far left do it all the time too. Look at, for example, how the scientist at Cern was suspended then lost his job because he said "Physics was built by men", which (a) was probably true, and (b), even if he was wrong, then it didn't effect how he did his job, so he shoudn't have lost his job over it.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/oct/01/physics-was-built-by-men-cern-scientist-alessandro-strumia-remark-sparks-fury


Same with Sir Tim Hunt:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sir-tim-hunt-loses-university-job-after-comments-on-trouble-with-girls-in-laboratories-10312086.html

Matthew Taylor was very lucky not to lose his job, after wearing a shirt that no one with a brain would have found offensive.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/nov/14/rosetta-comet-dr-matt-taylor-apology-sexist-shirt


On a personal level, I've had my own experience of the pettiness of the political correct extremists ' intolerance and bigotry, albeit *much* less severe and damaging than in so many other cases. For example, when one of my favourite TV programs, Doctor Who,  was announced to be changing the gender of the Doctor, I was convinced it couldn't work, and I said so on a few internet forums. And many people were quick to call me sexist. I said that my worry wasn't due to any ingrained sexism in me, but that I was convinced that a change of gender wouldn't work because (a) there was no example of a Time Lord changing gender prior to a couple of seasons of the program before (when, looking back, the program's makers were getting ready to try to get the audience ready to accept this (very badly planned) change, and (b) much more importantly, changing the gender would change the feel of the program, very much to it's detriment.

And I was called sexist and non-tolerant, etc, for my views. Alright, so maybe I was a woman hating misogynist in real life. I'm not, though, and there was no reason for anyone on those forums to think I was, but they claimed I was anyway, simply because I dared to have one opinion (that they knew of) that could be taken by any idiot to be caused by my being sexist. I explained that I wasn't, that my favourite game (Perfect Dark)'s protagonist is a woman (and not an over-sexualised woman either, just a plain looking woman who is shown as being very capable and effective as a secret agent, as good as the men you fight against in the game), that I like other games where you play as a woman (No One Lives Forever 1 and 2) , and films where the main character is a woman, such as the Alien films, The Silence of the Lambs, The Hunger Games films, the first Resident Evil film (but not the other RE films, or the Tomb Raider films, not because they starred women, but because the films were just rubbish), and no doubt others that I can't recall at the moment.

I even explained WHY I thought a female Doctor would be bad, and that if the BBC had instead make a NEW program starring a different, female, Time Lord, then I'd be fine with that, as it wouldn't involve risking ruining a pre-existing character. But none of this swayed the overly politically correct people on the forums, who were happy to just label me as sexist. They didn't know me, but because I'd said one thing on one subject, they were prepared to judge me and not hear me out on WHY I felt that way about the one thing I had talked about.

A few years earlier, I'd said that I thought Matt Smith would be bad, when he was announced as the new Doctor Who. I don't recall anyone calling me young-ist when I said that, but the political extremists don't care about the young. Just like they don't care about straight white men.

6744ff3bdfbe3voodoo47

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should have known better than trying to crack an innocent joke about politicians. lets just not continue going this way, shall we? yeah, things are crap no matter where you stand, lunatics are everywhere, and nobody here can do anything about it, so nothing good can come from trying to pick things apart.

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Also I'm your worst fucking nightmare in the jungle of Costa Rica right now (if you're a can of pilsener).


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Fair enough, let's change the subject.

They do say that friends should never discuss politics, sport and religion.

I can't think of anything to post, so here's my favourite Youtube video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8Prycxk7mM

It's a brilliant instrumental piano solo of my favourite song, Heaven Can Wait by Meat Loaf and Jim Steinman.



Here's a great performance of my favourite piece of classical music, Pachelbel's Canon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNbe34V1nog



Another great perfomance of Canon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3RRQypEf4I



Here is Someday We Will All Be Together, a beautiful song set to the tune of Canon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMGeaz-0kkc



And here's Canon Rock, which is also very good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek6I92-npM0



Another beautiful Canon based song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cP26ndrmtg

That's enough for one post!
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https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/25-years-later-interview-linus-torvalds
Bob: If you had to fix one thing about the networked world, what would it be?

Linus: Nothing technical. But, I absolutely detest modern "social media"—Twitter, Facebook, Instagram. It's a disease. It seems to encourage bad behavior.

I think part of it is something that email shares too, and that I've said before: "On the internet, nobody can hear you being subtle". When you're not talking to somebody face to face, and you miss all the normal social cues, it's easy to miss humor and sarcasm, but it's also very easy to overlook the reaction of the recipient, so you get things like flame wars, etc., that might not happen as easily with face-to-face interaction.

But email still works. You still have to put in the effort to write it, and there's generally some actual content (technical or otherwise). The whole "liking" and "sharing" model is just garbage. There is no effort and no quality control. In fact, it's all geared to the reverse of quality control, with lowest common denominator targets, and click-bait, and things designed to generate an emotional response, often one of moral outrage.

Add in anonymity, and it's just disgusting. When you don't even put your real name on your garbage (or the garbage you share or like), it really doesn't help.

I'm actually one of those people who thinks that anonymity is overrated. Some people confuse privacy and anonymity and think they go hand in hand, and that protecting privacy means that you need to protect anonymity. I think that's wrong. Anonymity is important if you're a whistle-blower, but if you cannot prove your identity, your crazy rant on some social-media platform shouldn't be visible, and you shouldn't be able to share it or like it.

Oh well. Rant over. I'm not on any social media (I tried G+ for a while, because the people on it weren't the mindless usual stuff, but it obviously never went anywhere), but it still annoys me.
« Last Edit: 04. April 2019, 18:14:36 by Kolya »
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Yes. Posts about how you've just eaten a really good pizza, and a photo of the empty box? That should be satire on a good comedy program, not the sort of social media post you can see anywhere.

I'm not on Twitter or Facebook, personally. I've never seen the point.
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I'm actually one of those people who thinks that anonymity is overrated. Some people confuse privacy and anonymity and think they go hand in hand, and that protecting privacy means that you need to protect anonymity. I think that's wrong. Anonymity is important if you're a whistle-blower, but if you cannot prove your identity, your crazy rant on some social-media platform shouldn't be visible, and you shouldn't be able to share it or like it.

I'm not sure that I can agree with his conclusion but those thoughts about anonymity not being so good after all and that anonymity is not inseparable from privacy is something that I came to realize more and more myself in recent years.
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It's been defined 14 years ago as the greater internet fuckwad theory.
And of course it's not that simple. People can act decently in anonymity if the group is small and stable enough to still provide social control.

Anyway, here's a new theory: Goggles is wearing a helmet. With his face printed on it, just for fun.
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But who watches the watchers?
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Get used to it. Soon enough you will be happy to even get a vote in such things.

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got 99 problems, ccleaner on a phone ain't one of them.



finding the charger twice a month is, however.
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Oooh, nice and simple. I bet this plays Snake too.

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