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Kevin Smith interviewing Carrie Henn aka 'Newt' from James Cameron's Aliens (1986) at San Diego Comic-Con (2016).

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clipping. - "Splendor & Misery" -> https://clppng.bandcamp.com/releases (make sure to start with track #1 as it's a concept album)

Splendor & Misery is an °Afrofuturist, dystopian concept album that follows the sole survivor of a slave uprising on an interstellar cargo ship, and the onboard computer that falls in love with him. Thinking he is alone and lost in space, the character discovers music in the ship’s shuddering hull and chirping instrument panels. William and Jonathan’s tracks draw an imaginary sonic map of the ship’s decks, hallways, and quarters, while Daveed’s lyrics ride the rhythms produced by its engines and machinery. In a reversal of H.P. Lovecraft’s concept of cosmic insignificance, the character finds relief in learning that humanity is of no consequence to the vast, uncaring universe. It turns out, pulling the rug out from under anthropocentrism is only horrifying to those who thought they were the center of everything to begin with. Ultimately, the character decides to pilot his ship into the unknown—and possibly into oblivion—instead of continuing on to worlds whose systems of governance and economy have violently oppressed him.

@Kolya: the whole Afrofuturism-thing is indeed fascinating. If you weren't aware before, you'll be surprised to see how well represented the passion for ScFi/Futurism is in many music genres that originated from black communites, wether it be funk, hip hop or techno. People like George Clinton and Afrika Bambaata paved the way for hiphop in general. Huge chunks of the "abstract rap"-sub genre are built upon futuristic themes and the entire, hugely influential and pioneering genre of Detroit techno, was comprised almost exclusively of black artists with a heavy knack for Futurism (Underground Resistance, etc.). Same thing with Dub.
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Normally I don't have the patience to listen to full albums, but here I did, because the songs are rather short for the most part.
Probably wont listen to it again. There is too much stuff I don't get (Carly Simon quote? Who is Grace? There is a computer with the hots for the singer? Where?). And I've never enjoyed rap.
I wouldn't call this an accessible album (though I don't demand that) and there were parts I had to restrain myself from stopping. "All Black" was really testing my patience for example.
Another problem I had was to follow the "imaginary sonic map". I tried, but the sound never translated into visuals for me. Just got some lame Alien corridors which i blame on Kolya for posting something about Aliens. :)
The static noice also was misleading for me, because at times I was more reminded of running water ala Bioshock, thus mixing up the atmosphere and locality even more.
But there were songs, sounds and passages I enjoyed, "True Believer" even had this kind of electronic chimes I really like, as well as a great computer voice.

I had not stumbled upon Afrofuturism until now and I'm certainly interested. But it seems that it tends towards a more magic realism, cosmologic approach compared to my favored cyberpunk. Just a first impression from the pictures google throws at me on page one.

TL;DR: I'm intrigued, puzzled and confused.
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I had not stumbled upon Afrofuturism [...] pictures google throws at me on page one.
You have to admit though that it results in a most interesting google image search.
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TL;DR: I'm intrigued, puzzled and confused.
Well, clipping. are coming from a more abstract and noise (the subgenre) oriented angle and I don't think they meant the record to be very accessible (although it is, compared to their other releases).

For something more accessible check out "Deltron 3030" - a concept album by Del Tha Funkee Homosapien and Dan the Automator from 2000. It was one of my favorite hiphop albums for quite a while. I would call the scenario a mix between cyberpunkish themes and space opera. It's not all serious all the time, more like a comic book and tbh, some of it sounds a bit juvenile if I listen to it today but I guess that's just how some things go when age comes into play.

Afrofuturism, as far as I have witnessed it, is just a very loose and unorganized shared passion of a very loose group of people who happen to be black and probably are motivated by a shared fascination with technology, escapism and near future settings... kinda sounds like your regular System Shock guy actually. There sometimes is an added religious/mystic element because both, christian and islamic beliefs and lobbyism were rather strong among black communities at the time this was born. Especially the Nation of Islam is infamous for having injected themselves into the funk and hiphop culture of the 70ies/80ies and 90ies (with people like Afrika Bambaata heavily promoting them). In the case of the very afro-centric and religious Rastafaris that went on to create Dub (one of hiphops ancestors and main influences) it was a very christian influence that, presumably, also found its way into some of the imagery.

You'll find a lot of black SciFi oriented music without any identifiable religious undertones as well though. Often it's combined with political and social criticism and gritty, quite like Cyberpunk. Obviously, the reality many american black people where faced with back then (and apparently even today) played a huge role as well.

An interesting excerpt from the Wikipedia-page about Detroit-techno:

Futurism
“    What distinguishes Detroit Techno from its European variants is the way it more directly works the interface of funk and futurism...but the desire to play up the genre's futuristic side often means the second half of the equation gets dropped.    ”
— Mike Shallcross, "From Detroit To Deep Space". The Wire (161). July 1997. p. 21.

These early Detroit techno artists employed science fiction imagery to articulate their visions of a transformed society.[11] A notable exception to this trend was a single by Derrick May under his pseudonym Rhythim Is Rhythim, called "Strings of Life" (1987). This vibrant dancefloor anthem was filled with rich synthetic string arrangements and took the underground music scene by storm in May 1987. It "hit Britain in an especially big way during the country's 1987-1988 house explosion."[12] It became May's best known track, which, according to Frankie Knuckles, "just exploded. It was like something you can't imagine, the kind of power and energy people got off that record when it was first heard. "[13]

The club scene created by techno in Detroit was a way for suburban blacks in Detroit to distance themselves from “jits,” slang for lower class African Americans living in the inner-city. “Prep parties” were obsessed with flaunting wealth and incorporated many aspects of European culture including club names like Plush, Charivari, and GQ Productions, reflecting European fashion and luxury, because Europe signified high class. In addition prep parties were run as private clubs and restricted who could enter based on dress and appearance. Party flyers were also an attempt to restrict and distance lower class individuals from the middle class club scene.[14]
Afrofuturism

The three artists all contribute to the discourse of Afrofuturism through their re-purposing of technology to create a new form of music that appealed to a marginalized underground population. Especially within the context of Detroit, where the rise of robotics led to a massive loss of jobs around the time these three were growing up, technology is very relevant. The three friends put together tracks in their basements, making music without access to studios or top-line equipment, manipulating machines and sounds in a unique and experimental way. The process "took technology, and made it a black secret."[15]

The sound is both futuristic and extraterrestrial, touching on the 'otherness' central to Afrofuturist content. According to one critic, it was a "deprived sound trying to get out."[15] Tukufu Zuberi explains that electronic music can be multiracial and that critics should pay attention to "not just sound aesthetics but the production process and institutions created by black musicians."[15]

Now, bring those guys to a very freshly reunited, semi-anarchistic Berlin, ravaged by a huge wave of "new" synthetic party drugs (MDMA in particular) and let them bring their music to an extremely hungry and bizarrely dressed up crowd of German youngsters meeting up in illegal underground party spots like abandoned vault spaces or military bunkers. That is actually quite the cyberpunk scenario right there, if you ask me!

For some videos about that particular time, look here: https://www.systemshock.org/index.php?topic=8935.msg106281#msg106281
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Another recent example: Saul Williams is a spoken word artist (veering more towards more towards art and poetry then a traditional rapper) and he released a concept album last year that kind of falls into (a very near future or even current time) afrofuturism.

The 'Invisible' Protagonist in Saul Williams' 'MartyrLoserKing'
Saul Williams - "Coltan As Cotton"
Saul Williams: "MartyrLoserKing" | Talks at Google


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Deltron 3030 was a great album. They released a followup not long ago, but not quite as good. I never thought of it as "Afrofuturism". Maybe I just never caught on to any afrocentric views in the lyrics. At the time it reminded me more of geekcore like Optimus Rhyme, but I guess it's one way to look at it.
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Yeah, the followup album "Event 2" was a disappointment. It took them forever to release and when it was, turned out to be a bit of a non-event. I'm listening to it right now, because I think I only really listened to it once or twice so far. It sounds kinda tired compared to the first one. From Del's delivery to the beats and cuts, everything sounds watered down or at least less fun.

Wether or not it should be labled "afro"futurism I don't know - and don't really care. Probably not though, since Kid Koala (mostly responsible for the beats) is of Asian decent. 

Edit: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/18499-deltron-3030-event-ii/

Deltron 3030 Speak On The Concept Behind "Event 2"
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Watching a documentary about Hong Kong, I stumbled on this electronic music/video artist:

Choi Sai Ho - "Freezing Night.Tram Depot"
Choi Sai-ho - "Force"
Choi Sai-Ho (feat. Jan Curious of Chochukmo) - "Perfect Equality"
Choi Sai Ho - "The 1960s For Me"
Choi Sai-Ho (feat. Jing Wong) - "The Light Of Babylon"
Choi Sai-Ho (feat. Kenneth Tsang) - "Space Between Us"

His music is at same time fresh and nostalgic (in a postively late 90ies, early 2000s way) to my ears. Reminds me of artists like Squarepusher, Autechre, Hexstatic and also Matthew Herbert. Apparently he also released music under the pseudonym "S.T.".


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I watched Ex Machina (2015). Great performances by all 3 main characters and nice to see a scifi film that takes its subject seriously, as becomes clear in the finale.

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I watched "Project Almanac" last night (as I mentioned over at TTLG). I'm a sucker for time travel movies, and this one was just excellent. Damn fine movie.

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This one soothes my soul:

[youtube-preview-stripped]

Tell me I'm not alone?

You are absolutely not alone mate and your every post is a delight for my ears, many of the tracks I have actually never heard before, which is the best part!

I always loved J-Laze's breaks, my favourite one is probably Chinz & Grinz:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEya6SMMDGg

Also, apologies for spanning the "classic electronic music" topic out of its bounds but this really interests me :)
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http://tabletopaudio.com provides audio backgrounds for table top role playing games. But because of the quality and length of the ambient sounds it also serves nicely as a soundscape to simply enjoy while doing whatever.
See you in the speakeasy.  :lulu:
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On the weekend came October 1st, and thus begins this years "Monster Madness" by Cinemassacre.com. They have been running this for 10 years now (dayam) and I ABSOLUTELY love it.

For each day of October (being the month of Halloween) they do a review of a horror movie. Most are reviews of old horror (1930s - the 90s) but you also get from time to time reviews of newer stuff.

Here is the October 1st video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOdR2miM_QU

I don't want to spam up this thread with each of the daily videos (of which there's been 3 as of this post), but just thought I'd mention it as Monster Madness is of interest to me.

If you find it of interest to you, be sure to check the site out (http://cinemassacre.com/) for this years videos, and they also have the videos from earlier years on the site, as well as their other projects (Angry Video Game Nerd, Board James etc etc).
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Kevin Smith interviewing Carrie Henn aka 'Newt' from James Cameron's Aliens (1986) at San Diego Comic-Con (2016).

I never saw Carrie Henn do anything since so it's exciting to see her interviewed after such a long time. Unfortunately the interviewer comes across as really obnoxious to me, and I feel he could have asked her some real questions now that he had the chance. Instead he just comes across as a retarded fanboy going 'wow dude man bro so cool XD'...

http://tabletopaudio.com provides audio backgrounds for table top role playing games. But because of the quality and length of the ambient sounds it also serves nicely as a soundscape to simply enjoy while doing whatever.
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I had a listen to Dark and Stormy, The Long Rain, Dark City, City Under Siege, Los Vangeles 3030 (clever naming there), Orbital Platform, and Busy Space Sport. Very cool work - I wonder if the author would let other people use their work in games? Does anyone know contact details?
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That interviewer is the director of Clerks, Mallrats, Chasing Amy, Dogma, ... and yeah, he is also a huge fanboy celebrating Henn in front of a crowd of other fanboys. That's what a comic con is.

Tabletopaudio has their license on the about page, it's Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives.
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Ahh, didn't notice the About page up there at first for some reason. Thank you.

Director or not, I still dislike that kind of personality. Too loud and obnoxious.

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Judging him purely from the movies of his that I have watched (Chasing Amy, Clerks etc etc) and from his online presence (his appearances on the youtube show "Equals 3" etc) I quite like him.

And the movies were all quite good imo. Different to the mainstream, in more of an everyday person kinda way. Odd naming of his kids names though.
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He's just a big fat ass nerd, who all nerded out in the interview, for the enjoyment of all the other nerds.
And in regards of that, he did a good job.
Just watch any interview, moderation, whatever of any other con (in the USA). It's all like this.
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He's also the star of a lot of those movies, and is also Bob from Jay and Silent Bob. Personally I never was much a fan of any of those movies or characters, but he's a big fat nerd being a big fat nerd and I don't really find him obnoxious. He's moderate, so I have no qualms. Sure he's geeking out, but he's not being obnoxious about it and is respectful so I see no issue.
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This will be meaningless to anyone who doesn't watch anime. Or at least enough anime to be familiar with the glasses push cliche.

http://imgur.com/a/na8M5

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That was always one of the most annoying things in anime.  It tries so hard to be dramatic, but it's just so laughable.

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Right, anime is the only genre in which people try too hard to be dramatic.

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