It's interesting to me

[67243be92cefdfox]

Oh. It's been a while since I last looked into it and I didn't know that Brave doesn't support Win7 anymore. Also not aware of controversies since I lost interest early on when I learned about it being Chromium-based.

My reasoning against Chinese-owned privacy sensitive stuff is not racist. Has nothing to do with race at all.

[67243be92d48asarge945]

Okay, I should clarify.

Almost all of the big chromium-based browsers have committed to maintaining Manifest V2. Brave supports it, ungoogled chromium too, even Edge is sticking to Manifest V2 for now.

The only people this really affects are users of Google Chrome™, the web browser provided by Google Inc™, not all chromium browsers.

Nobody should be using Chrome anymore anyway. I was under the impression that almost everyone had switched already to some other browser, even if most people still use some flavour of Chromium, because the official version of Google Chrome is a horrible privacy-invading and tracking nightmare, and offers the worst user experience of any Chromium based browser. Using actual Google Chrome in 2024 is extremely cringe and you should change now - it's by far the worst Chromium browser on the market (okay, I lie, Edge is worse, but not by much. And at least you can still use your adblocker in Edge), and you don't have to switch to Firefox. Just use literally any other browser that exists. Even if you want to keep using Chromium, there are hundreds (possibly thousands) of other choices that are better than Google Chrome.

Chromium updates will eventually make their way upstream, and over time as more and more changes happen to the core Chromium project, many other Chromium based browsers will likely start running into issues eventually that make maintaining Manifest v2 support impossible, but this is likely a long way off. Eventually Firefox will be the only usable browser if you don't want to see advertisements everywhere, so prepare for that, and I would recommend getting used to FF now so that the transition is a lot easier later, even if you only use it for a few websites. People say Firefox totally sucks at rendering websites, but I find the only websites it struggles to render properly are propaganda-filled bloated masses of Javascript that I have no intention of ever actually viewing anyway, like the NY Times website.

Also, as someone who uses Brave (with uBlock origin, as well, although it's technically not needed), brave does not, and has not ever, inserted advertisements into page content. Nor does it show ads by default. Brave allows users to opt-in to an ads system which displays ads occasionally as OS notifications, in exchange for "Basic Attention Token", which is Brave's cryptocurrency. Personally, I have turned off all the Crypto garbage in Brave (and I consider it the browsers worst feature), but outside of that crap, it's an extremely solid browser that works very well and respects your privacy.

Opera sucks because it's closed-source, which is a terrible idea for one of the most privacy-sensitive applications on your computer. Being owned by a Chinese company is doubly bad, because the Chinese government has a very long history of spying, not just on it's own citizens but on everyone. It's the same reason I don't recommend using any Microsoft product ever for anything privacy related for any reason, because they have a very long history of giving the NSA and other three-letter-agencies access to user data (and, even worse, third-party companies. Which is why you keep seeing creepy ads). The open source alternatives are better anyway, so why not just do yourself a favour and switch to something else. Opera might be slick, but the risk isn't worth it. Not to mention that, being closed source, Opera could also switch to Manifest V3 tomorrow and there's nothing anyone would be able to do about it.

[67243be92d6ccfox]

I hope you are right about the continued MV2-support. I came away from my (very superficial) quick research that some of these browsers are not promising any long-term support and instead say stuff like "as long as possible, probably ends in June 25". A couple of months more or less won't help much.

In the case of Brave:

https://brave.com/blog/brave-shields-manifest-v3/

Will MV2 extensions still work in Brave?

Yes, for now. We recognize the importance of supporting existing Manifest V2 extensions. We have force-enabled Manifest V2 support in the Brave browser, ensuring that you can continue to use your favorite extensions without interruption. In June 2025, Google plans to remove all remaining Manifest V2 items from the Chrome Web Store. While Brave has no extension store, we have a robust process for customizing (or “patching”) atop the open-source Chromium engine. This will allow us to offer limited MV2 support even after it’s fully removed from the upstream Chromium codebase.

[67243be92d944sarge945]

What will most likely happen, either someone will host an alternative to the Google Extension store, and a lot of browsers will switch to it for their default extensions store, or browsers will pop up a window after installation saying "hey, wanna install uBlock Origin? Y/N"

That's actually a lot more viable than in most other cases. If Steam stops selling a game, if you want to play it outside Steam, you might have to find a cracked version, and even if your game is on alternative storefronts, it's going to be much harder for people to find and buy, because Steam is a closed platform that Valve themselves maintain. Meanwhile, with the open-source browser ecosystem, keeping Manifest V2 support means anyone can just download the addon elsewhere (maybe the official uBlock website?) and auto-install it, and because most of these browsers are maintained by communities that have a vested interest in keeping uBlock origin alive, developers will go out of their way to make uBlock as easy to install as possible in their browsers - many of them will probably even bundle it with their browser once the listing disappears. The only thing google is able to do is remove the Web Store listing, as long as Manifest V2 works they can't stop the addon being included with browsers or auto-installed at the press of a button, and developers will ensure users of their browsers can continue to easily find/install what they need with as little hassle as possible because it's something their users value. Since the Chrome Web Store is 99% garbage anyway (seriously, just look at the extensions list, most of them are just toolbar links to existing websites, which is completely pointless), and since people are going to want good Adblockers because it's already been established as the norm now, it's going to be virtually impossible for Google to get rid of them in any meaningful capacity.

The only 3 Chrome addons worth using are uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger and Floccus, and all of them require Manifest V2.

[67243be92dad7voodoo47]

life finds a way..

[67243be92dcadfox]

I guess the hyper-aggressive ads have actually led ad blockers to become widely known. Yet, statistics* say that things started to go downhill again in 2021 and I bet this development was accelerated significantly in 2024, when they started to go all out with YT and all the big streaming services joined the choir:

https://explodingtopics.com/blog/ad-block-users

Despite an overall increase in the number of people with ad blockers, the proportion of internet users using ad block tools has dipped since 2021.

DataReportal found that approximately 1 in 3 (32.5%) internet users use ad blockers. That figure has fallen 4.5% from Q3 2021’s 37%, although a change in methodology may be a contributing factor.

* Remember never to trust statistics, especially not when they come from a commercial service.

From my point of view 2024 is remarkable in how it feels like a concerted effort against ad-blocking and also against (what little is left of) privacy. Not that those were ever not pushed against.

[67243be92de24sarge945]

This statistic can be explained completely by the number of mobile devices.

More people than ever before are using ad blockers on desktops/laptops, but the increase is absolutely dwarfed by the number of people getting 2,3,4 mobile devices, Smart TV's, and other locked-down proprietary garbage that doesn't allow ad blockers.

Honestly, Smartphones and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

And if you think 2024 is a concerted effort against ad blocking and privacy, my response is, where have you been the last decade? Every year is the worst year for privacy, and every year is the worst year for intrusive advertisements.

The only winning move is not to play, unfortunately. I don't have any streaming service accounts, I don't use predatory privacy-invading websites or software, and generally I don't miss out on much. The few good things that are worth my time, I pirate.

[67243be92e0fcfox]

And if you think 2024 is a concerted effort against ad blocking and privacy, my response is, where have you been the last decade? Every year is the worst year for privacy, and every year is the worst year for intrusive advertisements.

I'm not disputing that. It comes in waves. It's just that I feel that the push is particularly strong this year.

[67243be92e1e8sarge945]

Yeah that's fair.

[67243be92e36aZylonBane]

The 2001: A Space Odyssey music video 56 years in the making.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu7pK_9VvLo

[67243be92e619icemann]

This statistic can be explained completely by the number of mobile devices.

More people than ever before are using ad blockers on desktops/laptops, but the increase is absolutely dwarfed by the number of people getting 2,3,4 mobile devices, Smart TV's, and other locked-down proprietary garbage that doesn't allow ad blockers.

Honestly, Smartphones and their consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

Amen to all of that. It absolutely sucks that we can't install an ad-blocker on our Smart TV + mobile phone. The amount of ads + length of them (many up to 50 seconds unskippable now) is just horrible.

Lots of things adding to the downward spiral of humanity these days. Mobiles, Chat GPT, Uber Eats. List goes on and on.

[67243be92e7c2voodoo47]

..so I was without an adblocker for a couple of days - holy crap, I don't think I have seen so many feminine hygiene products in my entire life. and I was signed in, youtube knows there is absolutely no situation where I would potentially be buying those - of all the products I'm never going to buy in my life, tampons are exactly what I'm never going to buy the most.

the rest about 50% of ads consisted of (fake) mobile games (that's a thing, apparently), an app you can use to sell your junk, and some dishwashing liquid. amazing.

and I'm a guy, who hoards junk, does zero mobile gaming, and never washes dishes by hand. it's like they are living in some anti-reality.

[67243be92e8b0fox]

The ad-situation is off the rails without a blocker.

[67243be92e9fevoodoo47]

and it's not like they don't know I'm mostly interested in food and (real) games. well, at least they did sod off with the infected hooves in the video feed. for now.

[67243be92eaf6icemann]

99% of what I get is gambling commercials. This is largely as the display of those types of ads is completely unregulated in my country. Hate it.

[67243be92ec4eNameless Voice]

A lot of corporate and university computers probably come with Google Chrome and won't let you install another browser, sadly.

So I guess those people won't be able to avoid ads any more.

[67243be92ed44voodoo47]

also the youtube video progress bar that pops up when you hover your mouse arrow above the video now has a slight purple hue on the right end.

this annoys me greatly.

[67243be92eef1Nameless Voice]

It's been doing that for a while, it kept making me think my monitor's colours were breaking.

Spreaking of monitors and colours, I recently bought an Alienware 32" 4k OLED monitor.  I was looking forward to playing Thief and other dark games with the kind of true blacks we haven't seen since CRTs.
Turns out, the one thing is can't display consistently is properly dark scenes.
The brightness of dark colours shifts signifying depending on if the image is moving or still (oddly, it only happens in SDR mode.)
Not a single review of the monitor mentioned this, people I asked on the internet said they'd never seen anything like it.
I contacted Dell technical support and they told me it sounded like it was "working as designed".  I got them to exchange it as faulty, the replacement arrived and had the exact same problem.

The whole thing was overall very disappointing, and now I'm paranoid that any other OLED monitor I buy might just have the same issue, since I clearly can't trust any reviews as they all missed the issue.

[67243be92efdavoodoo47]

ooh that's the reason - my brain is thinking this is a hw failure. it is however, youtube failure.

[67243be92f0c6Nameless Voice]

I could almost be convinced that they added that slight colour gradient specifically to make us all think our hardware was failing.