SS2 Various minimods by System and Cheburator900

[6741d222984e1ZylonBane]

Yeah, it looks like most of it is a plain white texture.

[6741d22298667icemann]

Yeah that looks like crap.

[6741d222987c0voodoo47]

or one could simply say that not all object mods are crated equal.

[6741d22298a81sarge945]

I will be nice and give constructive criticism:

As blocky as the old model is, it definitely has a very powerful presence because of it. The new one looks too smooth and shiny. Maybe try remaking it to look more like the original, but with more minor detail and less changes to the overall appearance. Add back the grill and make the lights inset into the model rather than sticking out, and I think it will look a lot better. Less curvy and more hexagonal as well

[6741d22298beevoodoo47]

or maybe just aim your efforts at assets that would actually benefit from having higher polycount - the AIs for example. regular objects like doors, trashcans, crates, bottles etc look allright even without having one million polygons (this can be a bad thing, actually - it's a sureproof way of murdering performance on slow machines).

as mentioned elsewhere, learning how to make things is good, but not every byproduct of that process needs to be made public.

[6741d22298d97Teh Many]

Come on guys.  It's not crap.  It's just not finished - the design leaves more to be desired but that's often the case with new work.  It's not always a home run on the first attempt. 

As mentioned, I would add back a lot of the insets that gave the original some geometric depth.  Also add back the black seams and shadowing that suggests separations in the container.  The grille is a focal point and needs more contrasting colors.  Certain design features have been removed or simplified that perhaps should not have been.

The good news is that the geometry is more refined now.  This can be exploited to great effect with the right texturing.  I don't think the container needs to look blocky.  A high poly container with nicely rounded corners is less jarring to the eye.  And there are a ton of crates in the game so it's not the worst model to redo.  Just use the feedback here to make a rev2 and I'm sure people will download it.

[6741d22298eb2voodoo47]

we can twist the words in thousand ways, but the point is, this is not good enough to be considered a proper mod in its current state. as soon as a somewhat proper texture is supplied, we can talk about things again.

as mentioned, this is not Fallout nexus, where everything is allowed just because it exists.

[6741d22299088Teh Many]

If it's not good enough yet (and I agree), this thread can serve as a sounding board for improvement, which is what it's doing now, in a less than perfect way.  System has only made one post so far, so what have we got to complain about?  That the thread has carried on too long?  You have only yourselves to blame if you're bored of the length of the thread.  The personal bias against System is very clear to even the casual observer and while the feedback is unambiguous and true, the way you hurl it so to speak, is up to you.  Whatever he may have done in the past to become unpopular, he hasn't done it here.  He just posted a screenshot of some work he did and was a good sport about it.  I suggest we all do the same.  Twisting words is nothing more than social psychology.  It's actually a necessary part of our daily lives.  You can deliver the same information with intent to help or to hurt.  The fact that the information is true or false is largely irrelevant when it comes to the impact it has on the recipient. 

[6741d222991f8voodoo47]

apart from me being just a tiny bit sarcastic, and icemann perhaps a bit too direct, all comments are spot on, and give feedback and recommendations about what needs to be done.

and yeah, System has a history of being annoying and difficult to work with, and not putting in any effort to make things better, so no wonder we can get a bit grumpy once he drops some of his mystery bombs - for example, what is he doing here, posting a resource, or a mod? is he demanding that it should be moved to the mods subforum? asking for feedback? advertising his site (three links to it in a post that has eight words)?

we simply do not know.

[6741d222994eaOlfred]

Ah well, it's good enough to be considered working. So I would go with the idea of just creating a thread where all of this mini creatings get shoved into. So anyone who considers it good enough can get it and System might get a spur of aknowledgement which eventually will go on a trail of him improving to a point where people are actually glad of his creations.

The only downside which could get spawned from this is the possibility of it ending up in some kind of megamod where someone just pulled everything and shoved it into some half broken abomination.

[6741d22299610voodoo47]

I guess we'll wait a day or two to see whether System has something to say, and then proceed and merge all his stuff into one topic.

I'm really tempted to use ZB's suggestion for its title.

[6741d222997a9System]

The last mode of the Cheburator900, 98% of it was done by Cheburator900, the criticism is inappropriate. Who wants to change the model and texture?

Последний мод Cheburator900, 98% его делал Cheburator900, критика неуместна.   Кто хочет может сам изменить модель и текстуру?

[6741d22299963voodoo47]

well, if half a dozen people who have been modding SS2 since the first fish crawled out of the ocean worm slithered out of its egg say it's not finished enough to be considered a proper mod, then you can be very sure that's exactly the case. but if you think it's ok, then I don't mind, and just merge everything into one modtopic that you'll be able to edit as you see fit.

or maybe I should finish the texture myself (note that the lights actually aren't lavender, they look so on his screenshot because he's using some crazy filter that is messing up the colors completely);

[6741d22299c80System]

advertising his site (three links to it in a post that has eight words)?

What?
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[6741d22299d88voodoo47]

don't know, all I can say is that there are three ucoz links in an eight word post. I have no idea what you mean (all the time).

[6741d22299e92System]

I do not have the skills

I can then look, I'm not friends with the photoshop

let it remain as long as it is

[6741d22299fa2voodoo47]

ok - topics merged, pictures and archives transferred, download counts preserved.

enjoy the madness.

[6741d2229a2bfZylonBane]

or maybe I should finish the texture myself (note that the lights actually aren't lavender, they look so on his screenshot because he's using some crazy filter that is messing up the colors completely);

Geeze, I'd been assuming that the grills were modeled-in detail and that the texture itself was plain white. Even less impressed now.

[6741d2229a40fvoodoo47]

they actually are modeled, see the doge textured crate on the previous page. it's really the (un)texture that makes it look so off.

[6741d2229a4fdZylonBane]

Well now I don't even know what to think.

[6741d2229a613voodoo47]

don't think anything, just accept that nothing makes sense in this topic and move on.

//allright, I think I may know what's up with the texture - they attempted a fullmetal look, but the envmap is probably not working as intended.

[6741d2229a7deVegoraptor]

Reminds me of a certain military-grade rubbish bin...
I actually do see some improvement there, so maybe don't abandon all hope?

[6741d2229a972Olfred]

Well, it looks like the creator took the model and justed baked the texture (similiar to creating a bump map or the sorts). Usually you just apply it to a desired texture or use it as a map texture of some sort. And then you use a lower poly model without the added details.
This is now like... depth of the model with added depth of the texture, with a texture that only has the depth baked on it and nothing else.

[6741d2229ab05voodoo47]

whatever the case, all the topics have now been merged into this one, all the stuff can be downloaded from the first post, the spasm-inducing Xerxes not being an exception, and whoever thinks they need any of this in their lives, can go ahead and make my day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWO3C7n7apg