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Anyhow, Aurora, nice write up and documentation of your level design principles. Would copy & paste  ;)

I'll be keeping an eye on this one.

67410d2632b48chickenhead

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Anyhow, Aurora, nice write up and documentation of your level design principles. Would copy & paste  ;)

I'll be keeping an eye on this one.

Did you miss the drama? Because there was.  You might want to look at that so you don't get your hopes up.
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Oh yeah, there was some bans that took place. What a shame.

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I didn't critique your FM, I inquired into what kind of FM it was; what were its goals, to decide whether or not I'd want to play it like any reasonable person may want to do as no info was given beyond a plot synopsis, to which you freaked out. You seem to be doing a lot of that.

For all I knew it was a walking sim. I just wanted to know a bit about the gameplay to save myself from installing and playing something I wouldn't want to!


Sorry  Join usss! but I couldn't help myself but reply to your reply from my post with this little bit below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-TZtrJjW54
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Good. Express yourself through the music.

Here's a track to help you clear your mind when you're done:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgY6xj9Nz5s

67410d26332b8chuckles n chestnuts

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Oh my goodness! A post where Join usss! doesn't critique my work/post or call me crazy/freaking out.  And its actually positive!  Somebody quick! put some pillows down on the floor I am about to pass out in my chair!  :lordy:  This is truly a shock to my system  :happyjoy:

And his choice of relax music isn't all that bad either.

Did I just see pigs flying outside my window..is this real?  Could it be?
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Did you miss the drama? Because there was.  You might want to look at that so you don't get your hopes up.
You can restore your hopes now.
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Oh my goodness! A post where Join usss! doesn't critique my work/post or call me crazy/freaking out.  And its actually positive!  Somebody quick! put some pillows down on the floor I am about to pass out in my chair!  :lordy:  This is truly a shock to my system  :happyjoy:

And his choice of relax music isn't all that bad either.

Did I just see pigs flying outside my window..is this real?  Could it be?

Goddamn it not once have I criticized your work. Ain't no reasoning with crazy so I'll be on my way.

67410d2633c0achuckles n chestnuts

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Goddamn it not once have I criticized your work. Ain't no reasoning with crazy so I'll be on my way.


Join usss!, I see we're back at square one, I suggest you be on your way as well, in fact I don't know why you even bothered to take the time and come on here and post just to complain about me again in the very first place but, whatever.  Also your entire post is irony, your calling me crazy again after I made light of the situation with your previous posts of calling me crazy!

And secondly AGAIN you didn't read what I wrote!  I used the word critique see above!  Its right there in your own post in which you quoted me!  XD

Its so funny it seems there is a groupthink mentality on here with you, one person critiques me and you jump on board, get a grip on yourself please!  Voodoo, I forgive you of course, but Join usss!, sir you need to check yourself, no really check yourself!  For your own good!  Think!

I've literally not once gone on the offense with ANYONE on here its so hilarious, and yet my first post was a contribution to the system shock fandom and I got flak for it right away!!  It seems like there is almost tumbleweeds when it comes to someone jumping in for me, I can't believe this!  Lol, no matter, I still like this site for what its worth, its just some of you need to drop your childish groupthink mentality.  Its ridiculous, seriously.

Now, I say this to you (Join usss! particularly); who is the crazy one again?
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Sigh. You get one post.

And secondly AGAIN you didn't read what I wrote!  I used the word critique see above!  Its right there in your own post in which you quoted me!  XD

I haven't even critiqued your mod at all in the first place, but lets pretend I had: you claimed all my posts have had negative implications, so therefore it would be criticism.

I've literally not once gone on the offense with ANYONE on here its so hilarious

No, you've gone on the delusional defense, lots of ranting and raving of imagined issues, just like you did back when I innocently asked you for a little bit of info regarding your FM.

Its so funny it seems there is a groupthink mentality on here with you, one person critiques me and you jump on board, get a grip on yourself please!

I saw you freaking out about something reasonable in a thread for someone else's FM and gave you advice, to which you freaked out further. Here's my post again:

"What should matter is whether or not voodoo's criticism was valid. Was your FM a bad example in this instance? If you agree it was, let it go. If you disagree, either give your reasoning, or let it go."

Sound advice. Now cease your imagined perception of what is critique and bandwagoning, you delusional mad man.

67410d2634430chuckles n chestnuts

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Sigh. You get one post.

I haven't even critiqued your mod at all in the first place, but lets pretend I had: you claimed all my posts have had negative implications, so therefore it would be criticism.

No, you've gone on the delusional defense, lots of ranting and raving of imagined issues, just like you did back when I innocently asked you for a little bit of info regarding your FM.

I saw you freaking out about something reasonable in a thread for someone else's FM and gave you advice, to which you freaked out further. Here's my post again:

"What should matter is whether or not voodoo's criticism was valid. Was your FM a bad example in this instance? If you agree it was, let it go. If you disagree, either give your reasoning, or let it go."

Sound advice. Now cease your imagined perception of what is critique and bandwagoning, you delusional mad man.


Oh so now I am a freaking out, delusional mad man  XD XD XD  Gosh I love these personal attacks!

You haven't even critiqued my mod?! Oh really, you wanna explain why Koyla deleted the majority of yours and my posts? LOL.  Or better yet, you wanna get Koyla in on this post too?  Lets see his take on my first post and how you reacted to it...Oh and by the way its not a mod its an FM or "custom mission/map", theres a difference between a mod and map last time I checked (although I maybe wrong, but its splitting hairs at this point).

Your right about me going on the defense, but trust me its not delusion, anyone with a vertebrae (a.k.a spine) is going to stick up for themselves and defend their work that they put personal effort into unless they ARE (in some cases possibly) crazy!  Or ruled by a dictatorship whom to which they don't have a voice...

And please don't pull that line that you "wanted to know more about the FM", tell me, do you email game devs everytime a new game comes out to find out 'intricacies' of the game?  I am gonna go on a whim of presumption here and say no.  And as for me personally I have NEVER cried about 'more details', that is why you play the game/map/whatever!  Its up to the creator to divulge what he or she chooses, take it or leave it!  Don't like my style of presentation..fine don't play it!  But don't expect answers and get flustered when you don't get them just how you want them, and also the delivery of your questions need to be respectful and not pretentious for the record...

I could end the post with a retort here with a personal attack (and believe me there is alot I could say about your character so far!) but I am not you, and I am sure glad for that!  :thumb:
« Last Edit: 25. May 2016, 15:14:16 by chuckles n chestnuts »
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And please don't pull that line that you "wanted to know more about the FM", tell me, do you email game devs everytime a new game comes out to find out 'intricacies' of the game?"

Do you download mods that alter gameplay without knowing a damn thing about the gameplay at all, other than it may play like System Shock, or it could very well be a walking sim?

Oh really, you wanna explain why Koyla deleted the majority of yours and my posts?

Because he believed you had a right to withhold information and have people go in blind, which you very much did. Doesn't change the fact that I, unaware of this intention, also had a right to innocently ask you about it to make up my mind whether it was worth my time. I never go in without at least a short description or pictures, and even then you're not guaranteed satisfaction. Anyhow, you freaked out as usual when a simple "no, and here's why" would have sufficed, and then the thread became petty bickering as it is now so a clean up was for the best, and is probably for the best it happens again right here, as your inevitable freakout has ruined Aurora's thread now.

Drill these very simple concepts into your head:

1. I have never once critiqued or criticized you mod, nor compared it to any other.
2. My entrance into this thread was once again reasonable as it was in the last, to which you again freaked out. Well, you were already freaking out anyway.
3. You're either delusional or hyper sensitive to the point you fabricate lies to protect your ego.

This is how delusional and reactionary you are: I asked you something along the lines of "All I want to know is, what does the mod do gamplay-wise? Does it keep the vanilla levels with slight modifications like System Shock: Infinite, or does it have entirely new levels? Does it alter game mechanics like secmod, or is it purist"?

To which you freaked out "OMG he's comparing my mod to some of THE BEST in the community, how presumptuous and critical!", as if I had actually played it, and wasn't just trying to find out what the hell the damn thing was.
I was just left awe stricken, and after that encounter it wasn't very smart to engage you again.  Since then, I've learnt that yes, it does have it's own level/s, and yes, it does have mechanical changes, like the keycards. Type of stuff that i'd be interested in, but after our first encounter sadly you scared me off with the crazy.
« Last Edit: 25. May 2016, 16:40:19 by Join usss! »

67410d2635933chuckles n chestnuts

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Do you download mods without knowing a damn thing about the gameplay at all, other than it may play like System Shock, or it could very well be a walking sim?

Because he believed you had a right to withhold information and have people go in blind, which you very much did. Doesn't change the fact that I also had a right to innocently ask you about it to make up my mind whether it was worth my time. I never go in without at least a short description or pictures, and even then you're not guaranteed satisfaction. Anyhow, you freaked out as usual when a simple "no, and here's why" would have sufficed, and then the thread became petty bickering as it is now, so a clean up was for the best, and is probably for the best it happens again right here, as your inevitable freakout has ruined Aurora's thread now.

Drill these very simple concepts into your head:

1. I have never once critiqued or criticized you mod, nor compared it to any other.
2. My entrance into this thread was once again reasonable as it was in the last, to which you again freaked out. Well, you were already freaking out anyway.
3. You're either delusional or hyper sensitive to the point you fabricate lies to protect your ego.

This is how delusional and reactionary you are: I asked you something along the lines of "All I want to know is, what does the mod do gamplay-wise? Does it keep the vanilla levels with slight modifications like System Shock: Infinite, or does it have entirely new levels? Does it alter game mechanics like secmod, or is it purist"?

To which you freaked out "OMG he's comparing my mod to some of THE BEST in the community, how presumptuous and critical!", as if I had actually played it, and wasn't just trying to find out what the hell the damn thing was. I was just left awe stricken, and after that encounter it wasn't very smart to engage you again.
Since then, I've learnt that yes, it does have it's own levels, and yes, it does have mechanical changes, like the keycards. Type of stuff that i'd be interested in, but after our first encounter sadly you scared me off with the crazy.


Wow just wow, I wasn't going to resort to put downs but this 'reply' gave me no choice!

Join usss!  you must absoultely love drama and feed off this first and foremost.

Your methodical way of how you worded this reply by firstly agreeing with my rights to defend my work on my post and then blaming the ENTIRE post here being considered for possible deletion because it was 'all my fault' is both a slippery slope and a very ignorant and brash generalization on your behalf.  And it is nothing shy of making you look like a straight up manipulative sociopath.  As well as an ignorant one at that too, because you're the one that decided to come on here and antagonize me!  So you're contributing too..and before you try to quote me again trying to squeeze anything you can out of what I say to make me look bad I must firstly say this: two wrongs don't make a right!


To which you freaked out "OMG he's comparing my mod to some of THE BEST in the community, how presumptuous and critical!", as if I had actually played it, and wasn't just trying to find out what the hell the damn thing was. I was just left awe stricken, and after that encounter it wasn't very smart to engage you again.

Secondly don't quote me, the only one twisting truth here is you, and lol, I got upset BECAUSE I know it would've been impossible for you to have played my FM not the other way around as you have in your quote just above this paragraph; and please you did not innocently just ask, you continued to prod me for information after I already gave a general synopsis of my FM (Its even on my post right now go look smart one..).  And lol you must be really smart, because you are still here today engaging with me  XD

And no I won't be drilling anything especially from you into my head anytime soon (but you obviously know this but state it anyway because thats how you seem to operate).

Walking Sim?  Your part of this 'nu' generation aren't you?  Have a little more faith in fellow members both new and senior on this website maybe?


And tell me when did I fabricate lies?  I wanna know this!  God..the audacity you've got buddy....

So, by your logic, here's what I should do:  shut up, your right, and I am insane and ignorant.  Regardless of the fact you self-contradict yourself, prod me for more info when you really have no business too (when you posted first on my first post), manipulate what I say, resort to direct put downs, and make bold claims and accusations.

You knew full and well I would reply to this and you got it buddy....Boy you are a piece of work...

Oh and I almost forgot this bit:

Because he believed you had a right to withhold information and have people go in blind, which you very much did. Doesn't change the fact that I, unaware of this intention, also had a right to innocently ask you about it to make up my mind whether it was worth my time. I never go in without at least a short description or pictures, and even then you're not guaranteed satisfaction. Anyhow, you freaked out as usual when a simple "no, and here's why" would have sufficed, and then the thread became petty bickering as it is now so a clean up was for the best, and is probably for the best it happens again right here, as your inevitable freakout has ruined Aurora's thread now.

"guaranteed satisfaction" as if you have some high taste and standard for fan missions you pretentious imbecile!  And I gave a short description of the game when YOU asked for it and again that can be found on my post!


Do you download mods without knowing a damn thing about the gameplay at all, other than it may play like System Shock, or it could very well be a walking sim?

Is everything thats not good a 'walking sim' to you?  Lol, and yes I do download mods and maps (theres a difference) without badgering the hell out of the maker which is first off extremely rude, and its what you did to me!  You are aware that FAN created content takes work and that work is distributed freely for people like you to play right?  But you still bitch don't you.  I hope you find some solace in your life buddy...
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Sigh. Best thing I can do is just shrug and move on. There is no arguing with crazy.
I need to dial back this argumentative streak I've been on lately anyway as it makes me look like a cunt, which I'm not, except maybe when Bioshock is the topic. I try my best to be reasonable and honest anyhow, which the same cannot be said for this guy.

67410d2635d02chuckles n chestnuts

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Sigh. Best thing I can do is just shrug and move on. There is no arguing with crazy.
I need to dial back this argumentative streak I've been on lately anyway as it makes me look like a cunt, which I'm not. I try my best to be reasonable anyhow.

PLEASE move on and never reply to me again..EVER

In fact, don't ever play my custom content ever, nor purchase anything I may sell if I do so in the future ever I don't want your money, your time, nor your company sir.
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So can I get a link to the fm? honestly all this has got me a bit curious as to what could have created the argument. I kinda want to know what it even was. XD

67410d2635fb8chuckles n chestnuts

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Absolutely Milkman, here is the link to my FM: https://www.systemshock.org/index.php?topic=8531.msg98226#msg98226

But what created the argument was join usss! coming on here and chiming in on something that had nothing to do with him as well as a history with him badgering me for more info on my FM after I already explained it to him in general, in which Koyla deleted the argument we had on my post.  Because it was the first post I ever had made (which is the link above) and he badgered me about my FM without even playing it.

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yeah, people like to argue around here, get used to it. you'll learn to appreciate the honesty after some time.

anyway, now that Aurora is back, I think it's time to clear this topic a bit, Engineering is where the technical stuff should be.

also,
crazy
yes.

67410d263647fchuckles n chestnuts

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Well I was gonna reply but apperently this post got cleared up nevermind...disregard

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I like when people express their ideas and opinions with honesty. this may make some people with more unique personalities appear harsh and unfriendly. nothing wrong with that - it's ok to like stuff, but also to hate stuff.

I'm not with anyone or against anyone - I just do my best to have as much fun as possible, as life is too short to not do that. and I do enjoy most arguments here, as they are interesting and (mostly) constructive. we all do what we are meant to do.


//I was just splitting the topics, will do it again. //and done, split and merged into the rest.
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67410d26367c0chuckles n chestnuts

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Ah ok I see, well I can't say I feel the same way, I defend when I need to and respect the wills of others as long as it doesn't infringe upon my own wills you know.  But people are free to express themselves as they see fit as long as it doesn't infringe upon others (that is how I see it at least) but that is not to say other peoples expression will not offend others and I think that is where that argument part comes in for the most part.  I admire your honesty and level-headedness. 

But I must confess your first impressions to me weren't all that great.  But I get you at least for the most part, but I may not see eye-to-eye on your philosophy in its entirety but then again I'll have to stick around and see how things are I am still new here but I have had to do alot of firefighting on here lately so I don't know! 

With that being said a good constructive argument is healthy I agree, but not bantering and bickering and put-downs just for the sake of pride or groupthink.  But I do agree life is too short indeed...shorter than we realize I think.
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67410d26368bevoodoo47

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well, as I've already said, no matter what you do around here, expect people to express their honest opinions with little consideration of anyone's feelings. it's just how this crazy train rolls - so hop onboard and (learn to) enjoy the crazy.

choo-choo.

67410d26369a4chuckles n chestnuts

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lol yeah I've noticed but thank you  8)
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Oh drop the charade.

I defend when I need to and respect the wills of others as long as it doesn't infringe upon my own wills you know

No, you freak out and blow things out of context and/or proportion.

But what created the argument was join usss! coming on here and chiming in on something that had nothing to do with him as well as a history with him badgering me for more info on my FM after I already explained it to him in general, in which Koyla deleted the argument we had on my post.  Because it was the first post I ever had made (which is the link above) and he badgered me about my FM without even playing it.

Regarding: Chiming in when it had "nothing to do with me" 

This is a public forum you dunce, and you were acting up once again. The advice I gave given your behavior was very appropriate.   

Regarding: the alleged "badgering" of your FM:

"Hey guys here's my work I'm going to make publicly available but explain absolutely nothing about it, and then lose my shit when someone inevitably asks me two very reasonable questions about what it actually is!"

Quote by Voodoo47:
it's just how this crazy train rolls - so hop onboard and (learn to) enjoy the crazy.

This guy is already familiar with crazy, just a very different breed. The worst kind: one you can't reason with as they bend truth to suit their perceived reality. "mental mangling", if you will.
Everyone had that one friend or acquaintance at some point in their life where you couldn't ever believe a damn word they said due to frequent lies or twisting of the truth. Better to distance yourself immediately.
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