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You've 'boiled it down' quite disingenuously, considering that others besides myself have prompted certain people to change as well, if not in this thread. It's not the whole systemshock.org I'm talking about either, as most of the time, with most users I've talked to, my interactions have been alright. In any case I have said and made you aware of all I needed to. Whether you take it on board - and understand why it would be good to do so - or not, is up to you.
Aurora: Everybody has their own unique personality, and then there's etiquette. Social etiquette is a courtesy that most people are inherently aware of and make a deliberate effort to follow, for the sake of harmony with others, but not always. Some people see it as an unnecessary facade and a betrayal of their true feelings. Personally, I think it's both, which is why I sometimes follow etiquette and other times break out of that to share my piece with someone. There are both ends of the spectrum and everything in between here. You will most likely fail to convince someone that they ought to behave any other way than how they've decided to behave. It's not based on logic. It's more of an infringement on free will and self-esteem to tell someone they're acting "incorrectly", whether they arguably are or not. You can't expect anything else but hostility and resistance if you challenge that model.On the other hand, while publicly demanding change from someone else is doomed from the start, changing yourself is a discrete and private matter that you have full control over. If you can honestly come to terms with the repercussions of doing so (ie. I'm not compromising any of my core values), then you will find you'll have much more success getting along with even the worst of the worst, as you see it.Unless you're dealing with a really immature and damaged person who's on some vendetta to seek validation through submission, you'll find that most others respond favourably to reciprocation and acts of emotional generosity. You don't have to agree with people. You can disagree on practical terms till the cows come home. However, acknowledging that you can understand and relate to another person's point of view or to their feelings, validates them and lets them know that your difference of opinion is a matter of assimilating information differently than the other person, rather than judging their character and calling into question their self-worth.You can do whatever you like but I'm just pointing out that change starts from within. Trying to project change onto your environment first is not the path of least resistance.
Everybody has their own unique personality, and then there's etiquette. Social etiquette is a courtesy that most people are inherently aware of and make a deliberate effort to follow, for the sake of harmony with others, but not always. Some people see it as an unnecessary facade and a betrayal of their true feelings. Personally, I think it's both, which is why I sometimes follow etiquette and other times break out of that to share my piece with someone.
There are both ends of the spectrum and everything in between here. You will most likely fail to convince someone that they ought to behave any other way than how they've decided to behave. It's not based on logic. It's more of an infringement on free will and self-esteem to tell someone they're acting "incorrectly", whether they arguably are or not. You can't expect anything else but hostility and resistance if you challenge that model.
Unless you're dealing with a really immature and damaged person who's on some vendetta to seek validation through submission, you'll find that most others respond favourably to reciprocation and acts of emotional generosity. You don't have to agree with people. You can disagree on practical terms till the cows come home. However, acknowledging that you can understand and relate to another person's point of view or to their feelings, validates them and lets them know that your difference of opinion is a matter of assimilating information differently than the other person, rather than judging their character and calling into question their self-worth.
Aka PC mentality. Sorry, no.
In german there is a saying "wissen wie der Hase läuft" which means freely translated to know how the rabbit runs. As a hunter whose job it is to catch the rabbit, you should first watch it, see how it runs, or else you'll go after him in zig-zag and never catch him, but making a fool of yourself.Same probably goes here. You see a modding community, you first sit back, watch how it's done, how people work/function if you want to work with them, or gain their respect.I see what you mean with politeness, and I agree that it's nice to have when everybody accepts the other person and personality, but, as has been said before, people here don't much give a shit about who you are and what your feelings are. What counts in the end is the product. And believe me, this community works like that, people deliver.I don't know how to say it any different, I hope it's clear what I mean.
In my personal opinion, some of the 'objectivity' I firstly saw on my initial post wasn't very objective in my eyes at all, as it had some very obvious undertones such as "you must like pain" which is a snarky thing to say no matter how you slice it in my book
Having the know-how and expertise shouldn't warrant you to be a pretentious jerk quite frankly
I tried to argue with logic and explain why I believe behaving in a certain way, as opposed to another way, is beneficial to a community especially in terms of attracting more users to participate and contribute. Unfortunately it seems I have come across not the way I intended, so I don't suppose there is any point for me to continue this.
I too made this point way back when I was butthurt because someone offended me, and while it generally is correct, true passion will prevail over the mild rudeness of other members. If you don't have true passion for the game then you probably aren't worthy of modding it. At least that's one way of looking at it.
Furthermore the more people that frequent this place the more moderation, control and strict rule adhering is likely required. There is benefits to being a small community.
When I first started doing level design, I did it entirely on my own. Any game community I frequented later on was just a resource to that end, and the same would apply now. What I am working on for SS2 is greater and more important to me than any community or random argument on the forum. Even as I have yet to start the actual mapping in ShockEd, I have so far spent hundreds of hours on merely planning my FM and studying technicalities.
Alright you can stop being hyper-sensitive and dramatic now. Why in the world would you take offense to that? Nearly anything sets you off it seems, including the innocent questions I raised, which happened to be the posts in question that were deleted. How do you even function in real life social situations if you act up over every other delusional/fabricated issue? This place is great, it's reasonably friendly and you both are welcome providing you aren't specifically out to cause trouble, just expect fisticuffs from time to time over stupid disagreements. Nothing bad or lasting ever comes of it. Some degree of political correctness and good social etiquette is practiced here, but it's a happy medium: not pure anarchy or an echo chamber, not overly PC or authoritarian. We all have our differences and fight them out, but at the end of the day we accept those differences...unless you favor Bioshock over System Shock and shout it from the treetops. That is just heretical and an echo chamber it will become. Stop being whiny faggots over minor or non-existent issues. Things are ran just as we like it here, and generally speaking it IS fair and functional in its operation. I would ask for some examples of this behavior in your FM thread, but given that the best you've got as your prime example was voodoo's "you must like pain" remark, well you've obviously got jack shit. You're just acting up again. I too made this point way back when I was butthurt because someone offended me, and while it generally is correct, true passion will prevail over the mild rudeness of other members. If you don't have true passion for the game then you probably aren't worthy of modding it. At least that's one way of looking at it.Furthermore the more people that frequent this place the more moderation, control and strict rule adhering is likely required. There is benefits to being a small community. Things aren't perfect here and never can be if you leave room for human error, yet it's still one of my favorite domains on the net. It works because it isn't real life. There's no women to impress, no boundaries to set, no ladder to climb, just be sensible and respectable enough on some level and you'll enjoy your stay.
Some degree of political correctness and good social etiquette is practiced here, but it's a happy medium: not pure anarchy or an echo chamber, not overly PC or authoritarian. We all have our differences and fight them out, but at the end of the day we accept those differences...unless you favor Bioshock over System Shock and shout it from the treetops. That is just heretical and an echo chamber it will become.
Or are you going to pull a chuckles and chestnuts: take offense that I'm innocently curious of your design principles and what type of work you've put out there, to then cause a scene, resulting in the nonsense getting deleted?
You must really be bitter as hell in real life to chase me down on every post and try and shoot me down with your toxic posts aimed directly at me personally.
You're blowing up again over nothing, thus proving me correct. Actually, this has been the first time I intentionally approached you with any degree of toxicity. The first time I was "prying" into what your FM was about. The second time I was attempting to diffuse your in-progress freakout with logical, sound advice. Only this time I right off the bat entered the discussion mocking you, and justly deserved I'd say.
The influence the mild rudeness has is miniscule at most anyhow, otherwise how would actual truly abysmal places like 4chan thrive.
What other work have you done then, do you think you have something fulfilling you can offer me already out there, that will also act as a showcase of your talents and what you'll bring to the table for shock?Edit: nvm, of course you've already plugged it: https://imgur.com/a/CCubR
What other work have you done then, do you think you have something fulfilling you can offer me already out there, that will also act as a showcase of your talents and what you'll bring to the table for shock? Or are you going to pull a chuckles and chestnuts: take offense that I'm innocently curious of your design principles and what type of work you've put out there, to then cause a scene, resulting in the nonsense getting deleted?
My god... Just let it go and move on. Is it so hard not to have the last word in a silly argument?
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