SCP Beta 4 Issue Reporting

[6743d8c9a74c2voodoo47]

always happy to help.

but hey, the description does say they have been genetically engineered to be hardy, so there you go, hardy enough to withstand fusion blobs. kind of in line with the wackiness of the System Shock universe - why would its geneticists try to cure cancer (Diego mentions cancer in one of his logs, so it's pretty safe to assume it's still a thing), if they can make potted plants indestructible?

[6743d8c9a761eZylonBane]

Memo to self: Make potted plants explode.

[6743d8c9a7738OName]

He calls the worms in his body “a cancer”. I’m fairly sure be was making an analogy. Like we employ sayings that meant things in the past but not anymore

[6743d8c9a7b15sarge945]

I’m fairly sure be was making an analogy. Like we employ sayings that meant things in the past but not anymore

You mean Rebecca wasn't literally investigaging Diego's butt?

[6743d8c9a7c1bvoodoo47]

yes, but making the analogy means cancer probably still exists, and is still scary to a degree.

[6743d8c9a7e35ZylonBane]

making the analogy means [subject of analogy] still exists

You SURE you want to make that claim?

[6743d8c9a7f12voodoo47]

sure no, but chances are good. //fine, added probably. happy now?

[6743d8c9a8043ZylonBane]

Language is packed full of analogies for things that don't (or barely) exist anymore. We still refer to video "footage" (meaning literal feet of physical film) even when describing digital video. We still "hang up" on people... on our cell phones. Crazy people wear tin-foil hats instead of aluminum. And so on.

[6743d8c9a814avoodoo47]

yes. but either way, chances are good that it's still around (and a threat) if it is mentioned in that context. if a cure existed that would make cancer a non-issue, he would probably refer to a different disease/condition, one that is still considered dangerous.

[6743d8c9a8235ZylonBane]

I would avoid that assumption like the plague SARS-CoV-2 Omicron BA.5.

[6743d8c9a8372voodoo47]

yes I know, and was almost sure you'd mention this. the thing is, plague can get you even nowadays, so while its ha-ha-I-kill-every-second-guy-I-touch days are over, it's still something that can be lethal.

any mention of the plague making a resurgence in an area is guaranteed to make people avoid that place like.. well, the plague. because they know that even today, one should not take it lightly.

[6743d8c9a84c4ZylonBane]

Umm... the expression "the plague" originated with the Black Plague, which hasn't been a thing for over 600 years. That's the point, that things can persist in language as similes and metaphors for a looooooooooong time after they don't even exist anymore.

If someone snapped their fingers and got rid of cancer tomorrow, I'm pretty sure that "cancer" would still be used for at least a century or two to describe any undesired thing that grows uncontrollably.

[6743d8c9a85edvoodoo47]

yeah, probably. quite sure we could find a few examples where something deadly that ceased to be deadly pretty much disappeared from a language, but I think my desire to engage in a bit of unproductive discussion is now officially over.

it's a log, made by someone in the late nineties, his mindset is from that time period, and I used that and the potted plants for a little laugh. that's all.

[6743d8c9a874esarge945]

I think we're missing the point.

Even if we had a total cure for cancer, where you could go to the doctor and get it fixed with 1 injection, as long as it's something that still happens (which it likely would since it seems to happen almost randomly as our cells become damaged over time), the description of "something growing uncontrollably inside your body" is still apt and saying something "grows like a cancer" is still a very apt description, cure or no cure.

We haven't had a rabbit plague in a very long time, but everyone still knows what you mean when you say something "breeds like rabbits"

[6743d8c9a883dZylonBane]

I'm pretty sure the expression "breeds like rabbits" exists because rabbits have large litters. I've never even heard of a rabbit plague before now.

[6743d8c9a8bd4RocketMan]

Guys.  Fuck.

Cancer is an inevitable consequence of aging, if you don't get it for some other reason (and last time I checked, some of these crewmembers are pretty fugly and old looking, xept Rebecca and Bloome... and maybe Bayliss).  You can't cure it except to "cut it out" (laser it whatever).  So cancer still exists and Diego's reference makes perfect sense.  The end.

[6743d8c9a8d30voodoo47]

there is no problem with Diego's log - it's just that I have made an assumption the geneticists of the System Shock universe didn't take a shot at cure for cancer (and mentioned the log that maybe suggests they indeed did not) and chose to make the potted plant indestructible instead (because the mad scientist mindset says making cures = not fun, creating monsters = fun), for the sake of being able to make a little joke.

ok, party's over, everyone back to the cubicles.

[6743d8c9a8e66ZylonBane]

I'm developing a growing appreciation for the Irrational mappers who made an effort to vary the floor texturing, vs the ones who just slapped the same tile down across the entire level.

Looking at more modern games (like say Soma and Prey), it's amazing how much effort they put into making the floors visually interesting. Like, even more so than floors in real life. So much scuffing and smudging and grating and trim.

[6743d8c9a9031tiphares4]

i have suggestion for next scp version:

How about adding nice water-reflections-on-wall (diffused reflection?) in those corridors?

This beautiful effect is much underused imo, it is iirc only seen in medsci2 & that swimming pool area in recovery deck so far.. It would add 100% more immersion / atmosphere to this place imo, very fitting i think...


and maybe add some water under those gratings? shouldn't there be water?

[6743d8c9a9151RocketMan]

How... would one do that?  Half the shit this game has been made to do today is stuff I thought was supposed to be impossible for it to do.

[6743d8c9a922ctiphares4]

Wha.. what... do you mean?   :V     its already a feature in the game

[6743d8c9a9310RocketMan]

Oh, I didn't know.  Is there a setting in shocked to turn on reflections or something?

[6743d8c9a9637sarge945]

i have suggestion for next scp version:

How about adding nice water-reflections-on-wall (diffused reflection?) in those corridors?

This beautiful effect is much underused imo, it is iirc only seen in medsci2 & that swimming pool area in recovery deck so far.. It would add 100% more immersion / atmosphere to this place imo, very fitting i think...


and maybe add some water under those gratings? shouldn't there be water?

I'm more hoping we can get darkened maps again. The creepy purple lighting in hydro is atmospheric as fuck and it's lost in scp

I remember voodoo saying something in the past about trying to restore vanilla lighting in some of the maps. Was that ever done?

[6743d8c9a9742voodoo47]

you can mtl the effects in.

the lighting has been tweaked iirc, but it will never be exactly the same as before the 16bit->32bit conversion. you'll manage I'm sure.